Frankly I absolutely hate the gate system. It's a bottleneck during peak hours and can absolutely cause you to miss your train if the masses aren't fast enough. Also the way check-in and -out works regarding NS vs Blauwnet is attrocious in my view.
I appreciate the thought. Many thanks on behalf of the residents of Groningen However, they will install gates when they complete renovations of the station this summer, so apparently their trust in us is limited .....
Arriva is part of Blauwnet. Makes it extra stupid cause it seems almost like a coalition against the NS, which if I recall, it actually kinda is. Given all the minor regional private companies want nothing more than to break the NS' monopoly over the main network and divvy it up. At Zwolle for example there's both Keolis and Arriva trains, and both are checked in for using Blauwnet. So if you arrived at Zwolle from Emmen, and wanted to make a connection to Enschede, you'd be getting out of Arriva and into Keolis, but without having to check out and then in again to make the switch, unlike if you're going to Utrecht with NS for example. As far as I'm concerned, if they're able to allocate the paid money between themselves appropriately for the trip you've made through their combined services, I can see no viable reason why they couldn't share that same system with NS. Honestly, it's one of the things that makes me really annoyed in advance by Arriva's plan to push a few services on this IRL route inbetween NS. Like, are they gonna add Blauwnet portals on every station here? And then have us guess on whether we're gonna need to check in for NS or Blauwnet to have a valid ticket?
Yeah, the whole system isn't very well thought through. Well it is, but not with the consumer in mind. It's entirely built so that the operators don't have to use some kind of key to split the fares if a trip is made using vehicles from multiple operators. With the old paper cards you never had this problem. It's really weird in some places too. The Blauwnet situation mentioned is one example, another famous one if between Arnhem and Arnhem Velperpoort; there you can use trains from three operators (Arriva, Breng and NS). NS have heir own gates, but Breng and Arriva share gates. So when you arrive from Elst into Arnhem, and want to continue on to Arnhem Velperpoort it totally depends which train you rode in on if you should check out and back in again. Was the train from Elst to Arnhem an NS sprinter service? Then you need to check out from NS, and back in at Arrive/Breng or you'll risk a fine. But if the train from Elst to Arnhem was an Arriva unit, then you shouldn't check out and back in again, even if the train you're getting on isn't Arriva but a Breng unit. So the trains are from different companies, and have different colours, but are still on the same tariff. It's not clear at all to the uninitiated. If you need to change trains at Amsterdam Sloterdijk, you really need to pay attention which stairs you use to get from the platform up to the ticketing hall/platform bridge. The stairs and escalators underneath the ticketing hall/platform bridge end inside the gated zone, so you can easily walk over to the other platform without passing a gate. But the stairs at the end of the platform end up outside the gated zone (you pass through gates when you take the stairs), so you're checked out. If you walk back into the gated zone on your way to one of the other platforms, you're checked in again and your distance based tariff reduction (or your pre-rush hour reduction) vanishes into thin air, making your trip more expensive. NS has put up signs that explain this in three languages at Sloterdijk, but this shouldn't have to be necessary im my opinion. also it just explains you need to take the other stairs if you're on your way to change trains and not exiting the station, but they leave out the 'why'. so passengers with suitcases, or who are in a rush, might still opt to take those stairs instead, not knowing that will cost them money. It's just a bad design of the system as a whole. If you take a (Dutch) local train from the Netherlands to Germany, you can check out on the German platform (Arriva and VIAS have put up Dutch check points on those German stations). But those are well hidden. If you're in a rush to change trains in Germany, good luck not running into the 10 euro fine.
So you complain about the forums not about the game. Better not read the forums then, instead get the game again and enjoy it.
It is the cheaper version of the Oyster Card system in London! The Netherlands (TLS) didn't want to pay the full shebang for the full system of 1 check-in and 1 check-out to start with. The Oyster system basically has a distribution key for the amount of travelled tariff-units per (T)OC. We wanted 'dubbeltje op de eerste rang' so we got...well just that.
Why would that be huge? Roadmap is hardly the place DTG makes new announcements. They've got their own festivals they use to announce new stuff. For the roadmap, all I expect is a few new shots of Groningen-Zwolle, perhaps we'll finally see some picutes of the route itself and the SNG. I think they've pretty much shown all there is to show about the ICMm.
Yeah, that's basically what I was thinking. For the ICMm, the only next step to show before preview streams is to show it off in an active state on the route. I'm still looking forward to it a lot though. I'm dying to see where we stand now, and I suspect they're indeed just about ready to show the route and the SNG in a more fleshed out state. Hoping to see some stations too, like Zwolle at the other end, given how all the backgrounds from last round were clearly from around Groningen. Either way though. While Matt did state that actual previews are pretty close, Cardiff City Network is still first. So as soon as that one has an actual announcement and/or preview streams is for me the moment to start actually getting ready for the release of Spoorlijn Zwolle - Groningen.
Ah, I see. So you're just excited Well that's fine. I'm also really anxious to see more of the trains and this route. You can bet that I'll make sure I don't have any plans for the weekend when this route releases. Btw, I just recalled, for everyone reading this who isn't too familiar with Dutch railways but likes the trains, particularly the ICM, and wants to try them out on other electrified routes, maybe with a custom livery. Keep in mind that the Netherlands uses 1.5kV DC electrification for our overhead wires. This means that the only place in the game (or in Europe actually) outside of the Netherlands our trains would work properly in general free roam, is the southern section of LGV Méditerrannée route, before the powerswitch, as that's also 1.5kV DC. All other overhead lines present in the game are AC and 15kV to 25kV. This means that in order to actually use Dutch trains on other routes you're either going to have to use Scenario Planner using Off The Rails mode, or you're gonna need to shut down the train and tow. Though towing EMU's can sometimes be a bit shoddy in the game. Edit: p.s. though it does mean you can ride the TGV on Spoorlijn Zwolle - Groningen using free roam without issue (other than it not having ATB, and the doors beings very low for the high Dutch platforms)
You bet i'll be using the TGV duplex 200 pbka trains in Zwolle-Groningen and an ICE 3m with the NS logo (just like it was before the NS ice 3m retired) and i'll also be using the br442 (with custom NS Slt livery from the cc) and the stadler flirt from Luzern-Sursee since it looks a bit like the arriva GTW we have there (with custom arriva livery from CC aswell) ! Man i can't wait for the route! DDD
Sounds like a good plan Just keep the following in mind. The following electric trains should work in general freeroam on the Dutch 1.5kV DC overhead lines. -TGV Duplex Using pantograph mode C -ICE 3M Pfälzische Ludwigsbahn remastered version, as I heard that one can now use other available power settings and pantrographs, unlike the original version from Köln - Aachen. But I don't have that new route, so I can't verify myself -Vectron locomotives (Railpool and DB variants. Not the FlixTrain variant) The Railpool and DB variants can select the correct pantograph to drive on the Dutch network. However, neither the BR DB 442 or the Stadler FLIRT have the capabilities to use the 1.5kV DC electrification settings, and so for those you're going to need to use scenario planner and off the rails Of course any diesel train can still be used, and so technically the Class 801 too as it has a rather sluggish diesel mode as well :P On a sidenote though. I really hope that, shortly after Spoorlijn Zwolle - Groningen releases, the Vectron and ICE 3M get an update to also install the option to use ATB safety systems on them as well, as they can IRL
You could repaint the Class 08 (included with WCML Preston - Carlisle and other routes) into an NS Class 400/500/600/700 ("Hippel") or into a livery from any of the private freight operators that use them in the Netherlands. There's still quite of the around in real life, although not with NS themselves anymore. I know that the NS Class 400/500/600/700 are actually more like the BR Class 11, but they're close enough to warrant a repaint in my opinion. And the Class 66 can be repainted into one of the frieght operator liveries that operate them in the Netherlands too.
Any chance the red 363 would fit the route? I mean, it literally has the name of Railion Nederland NV in Utrecht on its chassis, possibly making it the most Dutch train we currently have in the game.
Due to engineering works, there was a VolkerRail V100 (BR203) to be seen around the area in recent weeks. Could be achieved with a reskin of the BR 204
Wasn't Railion the name of the company that was formed after the merger of NS Cargo and DB Cargo? (Currently again named DB Cargo). So it depends on if the 363 was actually active in the Netherlands at any time. Don't know if that was the case.
It seems so, but only rarely. I check around on this site (search should be included in the URL: https://treinposities.nl/fotos/bladeren/categorie-0/soort-2/type-v60 The purple one you see occasionally seems to occur both at Botlek (Rotterdam harbor) and at Amersfoort as a shunter. Still, not the most Dutch loc in the game so far though, as those are the ICE 3M and Vectrons DB and Railpool, as those actually drive around here properly
A week ago, the line was closed between Assen and Hoogeveen. Between Assen and Groningen, there were only sprinter services (services by ICM, SNG and DDZ). During that period, the only way to get NS rolling stock that was 'stuck' in Groningen onto the main NS lines was via the unelectrified line to Leeuwarden. I saw a cool video where this V100 was pulling a VIRM down that line in the middle of the night. Very nice. https://www.facebook.com/groups/denoordelijkenevenlijnen/permalink/9186721994779595/?app=fbl
Quarry cleaning railways also often use 1.5 kV DC as it's basically the simplest thing you can have for freight, if you wanted to take them on some sick place
if we ever get dynamic loading (oh wait UK and USA had that in TSW2) this looks to be one niche but fun DLC if some main line connection was in too
With dynamic loading you mean the freight routes in which you actually fill up your train under the coal shute and moves like that? Like Tees Valley and Clinchfield? How would you imagine dynamic passengers?
Of course, but, didn't the game already do that? It's just that humans generally aren't that heavy compared to freight. Though I will say, passengers do seem to be on the extremely light side in the game. Just tested it out by spawning 2 7car Vectron FlixTrain's, 1 empty and 1 loaded. Unfortunately, when spawning them in, neither had shown passengers, but there was a weight difference, and I think it's fair to assume that by choosing [loaded], it's full. Weight difference was 382t vs 389,8t. So, a weight difference of 7.800kg. 7.800kg weight difference / (7 wagons x 100 passengers per wagon, assuming fully loaded) = 11kg per passenger on average, which seems highly unlikely.
Actually, I wouldn't even mind it that much if the passengers had a bit more depth and interactivity. Specifically, whether it's the guard or the driver, before doing a shunting move on a train that's freshly out of service, you've have to walk through the train and request passengers to vacate the train if they're still there. (of course than still most should've already left, as it'd be far too tedious to do the same request 700 times or so in a full length train). And also, just like the "physics stuck" button, we should have a force empty button, which removes all passengers from a train. Preferrably the AI automatically triggers that button the moment it registers it's about to do a shunting move.
It's long overdue for TSW get the good ol' OMSI system where setting up destination tables controls the behavior of the passengers; they spawn only for the train to their intended destination and only shortly before such service actually arrives. Instead of having empty platforms on S-Bahn and overcrowded platforms waiting for passing of a freight train. But that's a thread derailment I suppose.
exactly. East coastway has it too. after that it was never seen anymore. was an interesting thing to make routes feel more interesting. freight loading in general, not just coal and stone shutes would be cool. like tracks to put idk log wagons on and they gradually unload shown by a couple (4 to 8) states of loaded depending on the cargo. I think having salzburg containerhafen work by moving containers and logs is a bit much to ask but a middle ground between Railroader's and Derail valley's loading system would be cool and make timetables better.
I don't think I know what OMSI means, but your point itself is very valid. It's fine. I don't think this derails the thread too much Though feel free to tag me in a more appropriate thread if you want to have this conversation. Personally, for me, for the next iteration of TSW (which I hope they'll do the same as with TSW5 with the starter pack), there's a few things I'd really like to see improve particularly. Passenger depth is one of them, and with that, for them to build on guard-mode. But really, I'd wish there was more interactivity with dispatch over the radio. For dispatch to both be voiced (even if they do only English and not local. It'd be fun it Matt was the dispatcher ) as well as to actually have some dialogue options for what you want. Things like: -I have checked my train and I'm ready to get going (especially on freight trains) -I'm in front of a red signal. What's the holdup? / Am I cleared to pass? (especially in combination with dynamic failures for both AI and player services) -[asking for an alternate routing, especially in free roam] And with that, also an ability to log onto a GSM-R unit. Even if it doesn't really have any real function. I'd love it if they could just copy over- and translate the GSM-R from the DB BR 101 expert by TSG. Even if it doesn't have real function, it still brings immersion. I'd be very disappointed. I guess I could roleplay as a driver/conductor if they do the closing controls right, instead of it just being a "close all" button, but still it'd be a bummer.
More in depth shunting would be cool yes. Though, I do think it may just be more to do with it not being appropriate for the routes that've been selected so far. I mean, Peninsula Corridor (RIP to one of the best American routes) did have a few options to clear as well. I mean though, looking at the route releases since then though, I don't really see it make sense on any of the routes, as none are particularly freight oriented. And the ones that are, aren't really suited for pouring it through a shute, or to tank the oil tankers like on Oakville Subdivision. Would be cool though to have more of that type of shunting I don't think though that DTG have yet figured out how to do more complicated tasks, such as (un)loading containers on harbors, or as could be implemented in Rhein - Ruhr Osten on that freight yard.
Correct from what I can see the German trains if set up for a low level platform the steps have to be retracted sort of like how here in the northeastern part of the United States there is a plate covering the stairs to a low level platform on equipment that can use both high and low level platforms. When boarding them from a high level platform the plate covering the stairs is activated but when they need to use the low level platform they just open it you can see this on the Northeast Corridor Trenton to Boston route in real life. Speaking of the Netherlands were you work how did they deal with low level platforms something that the German routes have.
i wonder i dtg will add automatic onboard announcement on the SNG since with some rivet routes it is present on there trains
I'm supposing this is a question? Specifically on how we deal with platform height differences? I'm sorry, the phrasing is a bit unclear, but I'd be happy to explain assuming you're not familiar Here in NL, our platforms are all of the same height. Specifically 840mm. Compared to the 915mm held by the UK or the German ones of 550mm and 760mm. Our older trains just have general fixed steps like you can see on the pics of the ICM, but our newer ones like the NS SNG just have a similar extendable plate at platform level.
Correct it's about dealing with the platform height differences using the railway carriage stock in the Netherlands. in my case the northeastern parts of the United States I wonder if we have to deal with platform might differences on this route Zwolle Groningen if yes then the SNG has the working low platform door equipment rendered
Today, March Roadmap! Hopefully w'ell get some insights on the SNG and the stations of Haren, Meppel, Beilen, Groningen-Europapark, Assen, Hoogeveen and Zwolle! (and best case scenario: we'll get release dates)
