The Train Built by Bombardier (Alstom), part of the Aventra family first entered service in 2017. Top speed 90mph There are currently 70x9 units in service, with a further 10 more to be added soon. Route The Elizabeth Line runs from Stratford and Abbey Wood in the East to Reading in the west. 41 Stations and 73 miles in total. However, I do not propose the Heathrow branch unless DTG think this is manageable. Why the Elizabeth Line When GWE remaster is finished that will provide a very strong base for the western section (I understand that there is no OHLE past Airport Junction and it is a different time period, but a start none the less.) Stratford has also now been built for TSW (Thanks to Incredible Trains Class 345 As the Class 345 is part of the Aventra family – there would not be a huge amount of work to convert the 710 in game into a 345. Again, another strong base provided DTG has a good relationship with TfL making branding and access to stations, depots and trains easier. Geoff Marshall has a great YouTube playlist on the Elizabeth Line – including a cab ride video https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLt4q5oaptyI8JEHZ728YMNf_EcqDd3V1U As do the official Crossrail YouTube page and the London Transport Museum & Hopefully these videos can help DTG and make the route as accurate as possible with the least disruption to TfL. The route is a combination of Underground, Overground as well as mainline style services. While it is a stopping service there are plenty of opportunities to pick up speeds of up to 90mph. As we currently have three Overground routes and one Underground, I believe this route will be popular with many people. There are three different types of signalling systems across the route which will keep players occupied and engaged across the whole line. Services will be busy with 24 trains per hour between Paddington and Whitechapel and 16 tph off peak. The core section will also include Platform Edge Doors - a new feature to TSW. I understand that it runs under ATO in the core section so there will not be a huge amount for players to do – but this is not for the whole route. AI Layers To the west there will be GWE content (HST, Class 166, Class 66 (Post remaster Class 387 unbranded GWR, Heathrow Express and C2C and 484 unbranded as Underground) At Stratford, Bakerloo Line (For Central), Class 378 for Mildmay Line service, Class 710 unbranded for GA services (Suffragette Line), DLR AI from Mildmay Line. To the East the Class 710 (Suffragette Line) as unbranded GA services. Possible Class 66 with freight? I think that’s all the AI Layers. In summary The Elizabeth Line has a range of different systems to operate under which will keep players on their toes and making sure they pay attention. Plenty of different options for scenarios such as ATO failure etc. There are quite a few AI layers that are already in the game that will help to avoid that ‘ghost town’ feeling. Lots of different services and options to go in either direction. Time to pick up speed on the western section as well as consistent stopping pattens across the line. Let me know what you think of this proposal and what I could add to make it even better! Thank you for reading it! :0
It actually makes sense for them to do this, as another underground line is highly requested even though it isn’t exactly a tube line it would still provide a great metro like experience and I would like to see this in the game anyways as this was my local line
Would duplicate the existing GWML. Underground sections are apparently off the cards as DTG can't do or don't know how to do the light baking for sub surface tunnels etc. Class 345 another one handled modern EMU and the whole service another electric bus service, of which we already have several.
Nice suggestion, Platform Edge doors would be nice but Due to route length i don't think it would be feasible, and choosing where it starts and ends could be a problem but if DTG Have no problems then they should make the whole route but I am in full support of this
Only for those of you who stop at the right place! I'm often off by a little, pax couldn't get through the doors lol
As a regular commuter on this route irl I think it would be rather boring to drive. About 70% of it is underground and all feature similar looking stations. If we were going to have another metro/underground style route I’d want it to be Metropolitan Line. That’s not to say I wouldn’t want the Elizabeth line in the game though, I just don’t think it offers much.
Sounds like a really good idea, you have put some effort into it and it would be a good addition to TSW, when can we have it?
Westbourne Park Junction in the West to Abbey Wood in the South East and Pudding Mill Lane Junction in the East, largely in new tunnels. From TfL https://tfl.gov.uk/corporate/publications-and-reports/crossrail-central-operating-section
I used to be a fan, I might have even suggested it at one point but having traveled on it frequently, it's a fairly boring, all stations ride. Heathrow can't be in it so you'll have a choice of Shenfield to Hayes & Harlington or Abbey Wood to Reading services all of which are fairly long and tiring drives. I know of a driver who quit the Elizabeth Line for a job at Freightliner because he said it was the least enjoyable line he's driven on. Just there and back all day with ATO in the core for added......what's the opposite of stimulation?
ATO is a nice gimmick but I feel that it would get extremely boring as stated above, also a 73 mile 'tube' line, no thanks. As previously stated it would copy GWML between Paddington and reading which sorry, is the whole route! I think you should revise the suggestion, personally I think bin the ATO, Paddington to Abbey Wood, set in early days of 2022 when it first opened would be best, Trains only used the core, which means that the route would be much shorter and less likely to be rushed to meet a profit deadline
I can only agree to that if we get the Great Eastern mainline as a stand-alone route at some point, maybe with the Eastern core tunnel down to Whitechapel so anyone wanting to do Shenfield to Hayes on Crossrail can switch routes. Having the 345 would also be a good starting point for a Great Eastern route.
I would love to see an Elizabeth full route line, I’m not even from the UK, but that line is so interesting to me, more modern and very nice
If we cant get it all, I'll be happy if they include it within GWE remaster from Acton Main to reading, as used on the Mildmay line but playable (are they putting them in has that been confirmed?)
No. The GWE remaster will not have any additional overhead wires, it's being brought up to modern TSW standards and getting a brand new timetable but the route remains set in the late 2010s so electric units can only run as far as Hayes & Harlington and that appears those additional services will use Class 387s.
Here's hoping one of the skillful modders can mod the dlc by adding the wires to reading and create a more modern day timetable when out!
I'm not clever enough to be able to rescript TSW to make mods, I don't even understand the process but I would say that adding OHL from Hayes to Reading would be an impossible task as a simple PAK file. I think the only possibility would be a creator's club rebuilt version of the route.
Wishful thinking...HA! I dont mind they want to create timetables or trains for pre-dated era's but I kind of hoped that they would keep scenery around London (or in general) more current date, so possible expansions could be created with current TT and rolling stock, that way a completely new scenery package wouldn't need to be created.
Personally, I have always hated the mish-mash of GWE. The unfinished electrification represents such a small window of time. Either don't have any wires west of Airport junction or electrify it all.
When GWE was first announced I thought "That's clever, release it with the electrification work in its early stages then they'll update it a few times while the wires creep towards Reading, giving them time to build a Class 387 and the IET units. Then they'll build a seperate DLC extension to Swindon or Bristol, ensuring further sales of the original section. Management types refer to this as 'sweating assets' or 'value add' in the business world." This was, on reflection, based on a naivety that the next generation of train simulator would have better/easier route building tools and there would be a more dynamic release strategy than with TSC . Because "Progress". Oh well.
Won’t happen as the class 345 started running on the GWML between Hayes and Paddington in 2018. Its funny cause this route was pretty much made in the most awkward time period and having the full fleet in GWR livery isn’t accurate to the time period and never really ended up being accurate because from my memory up until the HST’s went not all were repainted into the GWR livery. I think the same goes for the 166. If this route was made at least in 2018 we would have a nice contrast between the older 166/165’s and HST’s and the newer rolling stock
they seem to have an issue with making long roots for whatever reason, something that I do not know and I’m sure a lot of people that buy this game. Do not know, I really wish they would do complete roots, like the bright and main line or something else, that’s why that one in particular is my personal favorite, because it is end to end, or at least revamp that route and make it up to TSW5 standards
I believe they did actually make blue versions of both but for whatever reason they didn't come with the released game but I understand they will be included in the remaster. The livery splits on the 1st January 2018 are worse than you suggested; Class 43 - 103 First Group Blue v 8 in GWR Green. Class 165/66 - 26 First Blue v 31 GWR Green. So we need many more blue consists to make it realistic even by the end of 2017.
I think it was because of First Group only wanting the GWR Green in game to separate themselves from the FGW brand.
I assumed that was the case. I'm looking forward to seeing the correct balance of liveries for the era. As an aside, I seem to recall that GWR's livery was either mandated or designed by the Department for Transport back when they were trying their hand at having the last word with liveries and train interior design. See the Class 700/707 for an example of what happens when interiors and liveries have to be signed off by Civil Servants. A cautionary tale as we head towards the latest era of nationalisation.
