Frankfurt S-bahn Discussion

I think you're misunderstanding the scope of this new route. It's not the same as Frankfurt - Fulda, the only shared bit is Frankfurt Hauptbahnhof. Frankfurt - Fulda follows the Kinzigtalbahn, heading east and then north-east towards Hanau and Fulda.
This new route, Frankfurt S-Bahn, heads west via two different lines, eventually converging again in Wiesbaden.

Blue = Frankfurt - Fulda
Red = Frankfurt S-Bahn




EDIT: Red actually needs to be slighter longer on the west end, to include Wiesbaden Hbf.

 

Oh ok thanks for clearing that up. So they will connect both route right

 

Route hopping will absolutely be added to this, yes. But they are still two different routes and you cannot drive (for example) from Hanau to Wiesbaden in a single run (in TSW. In real life you could, obviously)

 

Yeah kinda wish it was also on gen 8 consoles

 

Very interesting route but gonna be very hesitant with this one. Although I like Frankfurt Fulda as a concept the performance of that route makes me doubt I will actually enjoy this route. My new rule for TSW is: If expectations are high stay clear from purchasing, if expectations are low you might get a nice surprise.

 

I think it's a safe bet that all new routes from now on will be PC and gen 9 only. Will definitely be the case with TSW 6.

 

I don't wanna be that person, but I noticed another thing on the Fernbahnhof:
the ceiling tiles that have lamps have three of them, but in reality it's only two (top TSW, bottom irl):



what I also noticed is that those glass ovals are missing. I know it's still being worked on so that might be added aswell, but I hope that the lights are going to be adjusted.

 

Time for an upgrade.

 

I for one cannot remember when I was this excited for a route. Don't care what they mess up or if it's 20fps in Frankfurt, as long as it's driveable I will be happy. I don't need longer and even longer routes, I like options and variations. This looks really really nice.

That would be amazing, but I don't thinks it's happening for several reasons:
1. They never do the same route part twice. They could've left Fulda-Kassel in Frankfurt-Fulda, since it exists as part of Würzburg-Kassel, but they deleted it. So, since Frankfurt-Hanau exists already, I don't think it will be added. Still, I also dream of this route being extended to Hanau for the complete S-Bahn services and Flixtrains Hanau-Frankfurt Süd-Mainz. But 'tis but a dream.
2. The tunnels between Frankfurt and Hanau have not been done, this would add extra work on top of the addition of Frankfurt Airport.
3. Performance: More route, more trains, less performance. Also: Tunnels seem to be quite heavy on performance for lightbaking/texture reasons.

I really hope they reconsider. With Höchst chemical park and Opel car plant there's two very prime locations. Just let me deliver freight to/from there from the edge of the map, some red signal or something. Please.

It will be 40, at least. But this will be a monster route. Not point to point, but from the amount of scenery and track, also 4 main stations and 22 others. I'd say this is one of the route that are actually worth the price. I'd pay 60 if they left Hanau in and did the tunnels.

 

Frankfurt to Hanau is still a fairly 'short' stretch, but I get that point. Would've been great, but eh.

 

Do I have high expectations ?
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/ATmnTryXpwM

 

Agreed. there are multiple big industries and yards along the line where I'd love to shunt around some wagons or take over a short freight train trip. Mainz and Wiesbaden ost to Höchst seems good enough, and turning the AI services into playable takes no effort at all. the addition of freight along the line will add the complexity and adverse services impacting the whole already busy line. thus I hope some decent addition, even if we lack the wagons

 

Now, what I'd be interested to see is how the largest freight station in Southwest Hesse, MZ Bischofsheim, is being implemented.
And as for the Opel factory, yes, that's good too. Unfortunately, there isn't a proper shunting locomotive there. Unfortunately, there are no Hennschel 500s with the proper livery anymore.

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interesting

 

Sind in der Realität tatsächlich drei Lampen.

 

Now we all have to wait for more information from Frankfurt's S-Bahn. It's a very large project.
Not just the long-distance station, there's still a lot of work to be done.

 

It has been in the 0-3 months section of the roadmap for 2 months now. So I wouldn't be surprised by a release in May or June.

 

Still getting the vibe this will turn into the TSW6 German route.

 

I don't get this vibe. According to the roadmap it's the next DLC to release (as they are sorted by planned release dates). New iterations of TSW normally are released in the 2nd half of the year. Are you saying that DTG won't release any DLC in like the next 3-4 months?

 

Well, releases have been really sparse in these months in the last few years, so it is not unrealistic. I do expect this will be the last DTG route DLC before a possible (LOL) TSW 6 release.

 

Happy to be proved wrong, it’s just with this route still in development it doesn’t leave much time for another one in September, unless there’s more than one team working on German content. Or it could be our European route in TSW6 will be another Swiss metre gauge section built by Rivet.

 

Everyone's talking about TSW6, so we'll have to wait for more information about how the journey will continue.
We'll find out more in June or July about whether TSW6 will be available and what routes it will have.

 

With TSW4, there were three new UK routes from DTG in a row: Peak Forest, Glossop Line (in June!), then ECML. With TSW5, we got thee US routes in a row: LIRR 2, San Bernardino Line, Boston - Worcester. So I don't see why there couldn't be two German routes close together this year.

 

Do we think TSG maybe working on a route for TSW6? It may well be that they are contracted by DTG like Rivet were for the WCMLS. I'm sure they'll have more third party workers on the big yearly release again. Then again, OldVern could be right, it wouldn't be the first time a route has been pushed back, and pushed back again.

 

IIRC, the launch bundle for each iteration of TSW X has not included a route which had previously been announced. DTG like to make it a surprise.

 

I seem to recall that San Bernardino had been previously announced before TSW 5.

 

I think that DTG was kinda forced to do that by the LIRR 2 licensing issues they had - otherwise they'd have had no US content to announce for an event that they did. I certainly wouldn't expect them to repeat that unless they really had to.

 

Well with San Bernadino we didn't get any actual screenshots of the route until the TSW 5 reveal, Frankfurt S Bahn I believe is still planned to release for TSW 5 but the Flughafen extension delayed it a bit.

 

Every year, it's always interesting to see that after Easter, speculation about a new TSW picks up speed. On the one hand, the roadmap is becoming increasingly empty, and on the other, DTG is always striving to surprise its community. If something is in development, it's naturally kept secret, otherwise the surprise at a reveal event would be lost.

To be honest, a new TSW every year, like a FIFA or F1 game, isn't absolutely necessary. But as long as expensive licenses keep bringing money into the video game coffers, everything will continue to be updated. The game engine usually stays the same, and only new teams or drivers are introduced, or old ones replaced.

On the other hand, the marketing department is certainly happy about a new release every year and that they have a lot to do again. New promotional material and covers have to be created, and there are always some kind of bundle or bonus content to stimulate the desire to buy.

 

That is my recollection also; LIRR2 was supposed to be the bundled US route, but the MTA forced them to go back and "revise" it to satisfy their new requirements (permanent safeties, door controls and cameras removed)

 

No, LIRR still came out before the new TSW version, not after it. But they had some kind of big "Spring Addon Reveal" event coming up and weren't able to announce LIRR yet - so they pulled the San Bernardino reveal forward so they wouldn't have no US content at all to announce.

 

One thing I can see with this looks like you would be able to operate the two halves of S9/S8

 

I prefere to enjoy a hype and like to read into all the discussions, knowing DTG will deliver the promised and advertised content. Even if i trust in the quality of TSG and JT, unfortunatley with a LOT of content there was rather disappointment coming up before release and also straight afterwards.

- Mess with WCMLS
- Mess with Fife Circle
- Ludwigsbahn not polished
- Cardiff made by Rivet lacks of passion
- Moving to next projects with only minor patches to a released dlc.

Nope, TSW6 will not be on my purchais list.

 

Will be Frankfurt S-bahn be Steam-only at launch (for an undetermined period) like the upcoming updated Koln-Aachen timetable?

If so, will non-Steam versions be discounted as a result?

I'd love to hear an official answer from DTG, not just speculation.

 

Why should that be the case? never happend before never will. Why should there be discount even if it would happen? Delays are common and you never get a discount for it. Dont nned an official answer for that.

 

Never happened before, even though it has. This approach of a pc release, consoles later stopped about 7 years ago. I’d like to think tsw isn’t going backwards but everything else since September 2024 seems to suggest that it is

 

Has anyone considered that there may be a reason for SKA's TT being a staggered release and that we're all overreacting?

 

You cannot tell what will happen just because 1 or 2 dlcs back in TSWs early days were released erlier. Why worry about everything going wrong? the original question came out of nowhere without any reasoning why the release would change for this route.

 

well, at least the Koln Aachen timetable is finally coming out soon, so that will keep me rather busy till this one releases

 

Well it's pretty obvious that the console delay for SKA's timetable is because it's most likely to crash due to TSWs funny memory demands.
Given that one of the core routes still is completely unplayable on 9th gen platforms, more than half a year after release (I count that texture issue as unplayable as well, because that's basically what it is - it stops you from playing completely) and with this one starting from Frankfurt as well I find this point questionable as well.
Or shall the ongoing era of constant crashing and blurry eyesight finally be coming to an end and miracles happen and a memory saving update gets released with this as well?

 

watch as soon as this memory bug gets fixed then some days later tsw 6 would be announced

 

While I do very much look forward to this route, I just really hope it's not going to be plagued by frequent blurry textures and/or video memory errors on console.

 

I wonder how many of the German DLC it’ll need for the layers to get the full ai timetable.

 

They outlined that in the April Roadmap (at least to some extent). You will definitely need Kinzigtalbahn and Kassel-Würzburg for the ICE services and they will probably also layer in the BR 101. For regional services I could very much see the BR 425 for RE/RB services as well as any Dosto pulling loco (114 and 146 mainly). The 642 (Maintalbahn) might be there as AI. Unfortunately we still don‘t have the LiNT (BR 620, 622 (for Vlexx), 640 and 648 (for HLB)) in game because this family of DMUs pretty much runs all of the diesel powered services…

 

Even if DTG did only have one German team (it's a bit more complex than this, especially when you factor in outsourcing) that doesn't mean that the route builders are necessarily finished by the time the train developers have finished, or vice versa. So you could have a situation where the route builders have moved on to another project while the DLC is still being developed in terms of the rolling stock, or going through QA/beta testing. It would be very inefficient if you couldn't separate these parts.

I often see people complaining when some new feature or project is announced that "why didn't they spend this time on fixing bugs" and this just totally ignores that it takes many different skills to develop addons for TSW. You need 3d modelers, people that work with textures, Simugraph developers, loco scripters, gameplay scripters etc. Oftentimes one person has multiple skills but it's very rare that someone can do all things (to a high level). So if a feature involving skills X, Y and Z is released it doesn't mean that bugs requiring skills U,V and W to fix had developers available

 

I wonder if we get a release date for the route in the may roadmap. It has been announced in march and now we should at least get a view on when to expect it, especially after one of the last RFTV update most likely were delayed because of FSNs release date changing.

Dont get me wrong, with the Frankfurt am Main Flughafen Fernbahnhof it probably extened the amount of work needed by quite a long bit.
On the other hand the Br 430 was already looking good in the WIP sreenshots only leaving the 423 update left unknown. I do still hope for RMV branded dosto cab car and no shadow bugs in the tunnels.
I would advise to mentaly prepare your wallet for it being 40 bucks. I hope otherwise but you never know these days.

 

They have to fix the blurry textures and Memory leaks First, to get this Route with all layers work on console

 

I agree, but the differing paces need to be harmonized at some point, things can't just forever go at different speeds, the delta becomes enormous as we're seeing. Of course everyone loves new content and it's the driving engine behind sales, but if the QA and bug fixing gets left behind...you end up with I don't know, a BR 185 where a cab hasn't had working AFB for years. That's like "Norton AV being unable to scan .zip files" scale of oopsie, related to a train sim, not "the x button to close the window isn't perfectly centered"...

EDIT: oops, AFB, not AFD (don't want no politics here lmao)

 

To be fair, newer DTG routes like Mannheim-Kaiserslautern and Zwolle-Groningen suffer from far less problems with memory and blurriness. So they seem to have learnt something along the way (still to be applied to Frankfurt-Fulda, obviously). Therefore I have high hopes for this route to be functioning properly from the beginning.

 

I'm happy that the they heared to the community with adding Frankfurt Fernbahnhof and usable high-speed trains and perhaps freight trains. So for me there's no problem if the release of the route will be postponed 2 or 3 months.