PlayStation The End Of The Road For Gen 8

OK Guys I really feel like the end of the road for Gen 8 consoles (PS4 & XBOX1) Has finally arrived with the announcements DTG Have been giving on in their articles:







Oh well, guess we have come a long way and it is with a heavy heart that we announce that Gen 8 just cant take these routes anymore, RIP Gen 8 Consoles 2020-2025, Any thoughts? Or maybe a *Gen 8 Miracle* May happen in the future? Who knows?

 

Come way too late but it looks like gen 8 will lose support this summer. But if the Frankfurt s bahn timetable is anything to go by, then it seems tsw is gonna completely fold on console. Not the way it should’ve gone

 

It’s a difficult one for sure. They have definitely had their day, but there’s still lots of people using them.

But I don’t think dropping Gen 8 will make a jot of difference to the quality of DLC going forwrd

 

If this is true it is a risky move and may be a serious mistake. I would guess that there are still substantial numbers of players using the gen8 consoles.

In any case, this isn't going to improve the game for the rest of us, as some people mistakenly think.

 

Okay honestly they could've released the 420 on Last Gen consoles too. It's just a loco dlc nothing more and most Gen 8 users have been waiting for the 420 since 2020...

 

I suppose the same could be said for the HKA hopper pack or the Metrolink loco DLC. But if the main route that it will belong to has reductions to the 8th gen or isn't on 8th gen at all then it doesn't make sense to release the DLC on 8th either.
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I mean, not to be that guy but Dovetail don't have to even release TSW6 if they don't want to. At the end of the day and as much as we as players might like it, DTG and/or Focus aren't required to run their business decisions by the player base. If dropping support for 8th gen going forward is what they feel makes the best sense then that's their call to make.

 

Of course we don't have to agree with that choice and the best most effective thing you can do to get a business' attention is vote with your wallet.

Or buy some shares and vote with an actual vote.. I don't really understand how all that shareholder bollocks works tbf

 

Yes i think train sim world has reached the end of the line as far as the Playstation 4 & Xbox one is concerned leaving 9th Gen users with a comprised version reduced time-tables etc etc until Sony & Microsoft unveil There 10th Gen consoles hopeful in the 1-2 years will hear announcements about the PlayStation 6 & another Version of Xbox

 

There is only one route currently touting a reduced timetable on 9th gen and it's not one I planned to buy anyway so it's not really a super big issue to me. And the routes I do play have gotten SO MUCH BETTER going from a PS4 to PS5 so they've knocked it for 4 at least.

 

DTG have messed something up if it ain’t running okay on Gen 9.

 

Probably gonna hold off entirely even on gen 9 for a few months after that reduced timetable.

If its got to the point they can't even get the thing running on current gen I could definitely see them giving up on tsw6 coming to consoles.

 

I don't know about anyone else but the reason I wanted to get off 8th gen and onto 9th gen was because it is old AF as well as WH40K and other current gen games. Are people really out there spending $700 on a new console JUST for TSW or something?

 

There won’t be anymore Gen 8 routes because Sony are discontinuing the PS4 this year sometime.

 

We all knew it was coming, it was inevitable. TSW has become increasingly unstable on gen8, some stuff doesn't even work right on gen9.

 

Gen 8 started around 2013 and the production of the consoles has been stopped for several years now.
The end of life for older hardware is inevitable, developers can't be stuck in the past.

That said, it would be nice to see improvements for the current generation instead of timetable reductions. Optimization sucks even on PC.

 

Although I’m intending to replace/update my PC later this year, PC owners could still be in for a shock if they put out TSW6 with much higher hardware specs, as MS did going from FS20 to FS24. We suddenly find we need an I7 10700, a RTX2080 (or equivalent) and 32Gb of RAM. That would be a lot of current PC users, erm, stuffed.

 

I have upgraded to PS5 to have full experience whit all layers and contents, now the S bahn route have reduced timetable on gen9. Hope this Is the last route to have reduced timetable on gen9

 

Hi Matt, thanks for expain this thing, i have just one question as gen9 console player, we will see the full timetable on S bahn route at some point?

 

Xbox One just seems like Stone Age kit now. Bin it.

 

I have never understood why you would want to continue playing tsw on a console, that you have to play reduced timetables, put up with constant crashing and rely on the save feature to complete some service's?

 

The problem is if we change platform we have to rebuy all things again

 

I see your point. However, how many ps owners are likely to switch to Xbox and vice versa?

 

Because we done want to spend hundreds of pounds on a PC, having already spent thousands on a console and loads of dlc already. Would you swap over to ps5 from pc? No.

 

That’s console to console which isn’t relevant to the console vs pc problem at the moment

 

I'm not on about switching from console to pc though. I mean gen 9 performs a lot better than gen 8, so why hold on to gen 8 and miss out?

 

This thread has nout to do with console Vs pc.

 

Fair enough. There’s two sides to the argument, gen 9 is significantly more powerful than gen 8 and tsw could be so much better if it was only made for the newer machines, but if dtg aren’t going to bother to optimise the game to the point where the difference makes it worthwhile abandoning gen 8, then why bother scrapping the older machines

 

Gen 8 consoles just don't have enough memory to run the current generation of routes. Although they are not holding back gen 9 or the pc, I would imagine dtg have to invest a lot more time trying to make routes work on gen 8.
As the world moves forward and people switch to gen 9. Dtg must have looked at the sales figures and realised it's not worth the investment anymore.

 

Thanks for the info Matt.
Have you considered the difficult option of actually not trying to cram more and more into a route, at least until next gen consoles come out?
Personally, frame rate is king in a game of this type.
TSW4 is the pinnacle of the game so far for me, and we got plenty of beautiful routes there so it's not impossible to get great looking trains & scenery along with super smooth graphics.

 

Pretty much what I said earlier today in this or another thread. The route builders whether in house or third party need to at least in part start thinking as we did with MSTS and TSC. Do you really need a field with high poly 3D crops 500m from the track. And the 3D modellers likewise need to be cutting down the polys, though not to the ridiculous extent of leaving the front off stations. Is using LiDAR terrain data really necessary particularly on flat routes where 20 or 30m SRTM could still provide an adequate mesh.

 

But then that would be a weaker system holding the game back, wouldn't it? Which, as has been repeatedly stressed, is the opposite of how DTG actually approaches development.

 

I understand the decision and have no hard feelings about it.

There is an extensive backcatalogue of routes (including some real gems like SEHS Extended or DRA) which I will probably never fully exploit on PS4. Still, it would be nice if issues with older routes would be fixed so it is still worthwhile playing them.

 

Hold it back? I'd call it keeping it in the best condition.

 

By this time, 2025, DTG is one of the very few commercial publishers still releasing XB1 and PS4 versions of their games. Anyone who wants to play any major recent game, whether Baldur's Gate 3, Kingdom Come Deliverance 2, Indy and the Great Circle, Clair Obscur, Helldivers 2 etc etc etc, not to mention GTA 6, isn't going to be able to on an 8th-gen console; those versions don't exist.

And before very long the 10th-gen consoles will be out, and there's no way DTG will continue to support 6 console versions on top of three for PC.

 

As someone who bought their PS5 for the exact purpose of taking advantage of TSW2, I hope this should mean improvements in other areas as resources can sent elsewhere. Gen 8 has been around for long enough. Even though my 8 year old PS4 still sees more use than my 5 year old PS5, and the PS4 had more free space despite having 18 games installed on compared to the 6 games on my PS5, although that’s probably more to do with modern games file size. Here’s to 11 years of the PS4.

 

Stop Making TSW 6 This year for PS4 and Xbox One, or You want Never get fixed this blurry and Memory leaks
It’s time to pass this console

 

I would suggest that for anyone still on Gen 8, it's a good time to upgrade your console as Microsoft are looking into raising prices for Gen 9 Consoles.

 

Saying "looking into" is a bit misleading, it's not some suggestion that they may or may not act on, info comes from Xbox itself confirming that it's happening. They even have a big ol' support page with PDF's showing all the price changes in their various regions.
https://support.xbox.com/en-US/help/hardware-network/console/may-2025-pricing-updates

 

I personally upgraded to pc to move away from console ( a personal choice). I wouldnt feel comfortable playing a game that is held back by 15 Yr old technology much longer. It's had most of its day. There's more and more games moving away from gen 8 now.

There's been some tremendous improvements in routes which I and many have paid to enjoy with more detail. I see ram usage creeping up to 14-15gb at time.

An 8gb console is eventually going to struggle

 

Yeah Guys Matt Is Right... Gen 8 Isnt Finished Yet....
(Please Excuse The Drawings) And I also feel like this is the New Gameplay Pack that they announced on the May Roadmap:

Any Thoughts Guys?

 

if that is the uk gameplay pack then i'm very annoyed because i was hoping for something new like a new rolling stock or new loco

 

Couldn't give an F

Gen 8 is getting on for 15 years-old, and there is no excuse for people not own a Gen 9 console or mid-range gaming PC.

If you can't afford to drop £200 on an XBOX Series S at the very least, it might be time to swap gaming for a cheaper hobby.

 

To be honest, 8th gen should have gone a while back. The base PS4/Xbox One are just low end machines from 2012-13 in terms of hardware, it's a miracle they held onto support for this long. It is for the better that support ends on them, since it will allow some more complex routes to be made without considering the limitations of these systems. I reckon when TSW6 inevitably comes out later this year, the PS4/Xbox One will be fully dropped.

 

Harsh but fair. Gen 8 is holding the game back.

I'd also like to see some 'Enhanced for PS5 Pro' features.

 

'Enhanced for PS5 Pro' features on this game would be very minimal. The Pro's main improvement over the standard is its graphics card, but actual RAM and memory size remains almost identical and these are the features which TSW relies on most. The graphics card really only affects what you can see, not what can actually be loaded or processed in the background.

And even if we do consider just the field of the game's visuals, render distance couldn't really be improved any further than it already is because again, that also relies on memory.
Lighting? Maybe, but only to the tiniest degree. I could be wrong here so someone feel free to correct me, but from what I've understood a lot of this game's lighting is pre-baked and not necessarily rendered in live time as is the case with other games, which rules out the ability to just switch between normal and Pro versions as a built in option, such as with GTA 5's Performance or Fidelity modes. To improve this for the PS5 Pro would require a whole new version of the game and its addons to be created in order to contain those new changes, the same as the separate PS4 and PS5 versions. Highly doubtful. If they just put those changes into the regular PS5 version, the standard PS5 would suddenly end up in the position of the Series S - forced to run an enhanced version of the game that it can only just keep up with.

On that note, I do have to wonder if it could be said that not only is Gen 8 holding the game back, but the existence of Series S is too? I haven't been an Xbox owner since the early 360 so I'm not completely up to date, but I swear I remember hearing that the Series S is only marginally better than the older One X, just enabled for 9th Gen titles? Of course if that was the case then we truly would be screwed, because I know that Microsoft don't allow for titles to be released on only one of the two consoles.

 

The talk that TSW is a PC game is a myth and not true!
The truth is that CSX Heavy Haul is a PC game.
The following TSW was developed for PC AND console from the start! So it's a game for BOTH platforms! Sorry...

This was done to tap into the console market, as there was nothing comparable there yet. Very clever. The mistake, in my opinion, was to first develop it on PC based on CSX and then port it to console. The other way around might have been a better approach...

Due to the chip crisis during and after Corona, the Gen. 9 consoles were delayed and slow to market, which is why Gen. 8 was dragged along for far too long. Add to that a change in UE.

It's true that support for Gen. 8 will have to be discontinued at some point, but as long as there are no Gen. 10 consoles, it can't be the case that console gamers should pay full price for a new "standard"!

But who knows, maybe TSWx will come to Gen. 10 with UE5 one day, and DTG will make a clean break by developing for console and then porting to PC. I'd love to hear the cheers when those poor PC gamers no longer have to constantly upgrade expensively and need mods...

Remember, dear PC gamers—ONLY CSX Heavy Haul was YOUR game! TSW wasn't and isn't yours alone. Sorry...

 

8? Try 9! The memory issues are even effecting routes I was playing months ago with NO ISSUES!

 

I'm on Gen9!