Gwe Remaster: Appreciation And Discussion Thread

THIS

 

I'd be ecstatic if we got that.

I would love to have some sort of old Reading in game. We have a good one in the JT SWEX but that doesn't go to Paddington or Didcot. I wouldn't mind the FGW Barbie/Blue transition either, mix of engines and liveries is always very nice.

 

Who would own the rights to Great Western Trains? I assumed it would be First, but most or all of the registered trade marks for GWT seem to be owned by the DfT which would make it attainable. The DfT do own quite a few old TOC brands, like SWT/EMT and London Midland. That said it's probably a lot more complicated than it seems.

Interestingly, GWT had to license the InterCity name and logo from the British Railways Board. I don't know why they chose to use the brand on their trains, it seems a bit redundant. Still, Merlin is a top-tier livery.

 

I would imagine it would be just as much of a minefield getting the Virgin logo and liveries into the game. I would donate a kidney to get Virgin XC 47s, HSTs etc into the game, but I know it will never happen.
I expect GNER would be the only big defunct name with any kind of shot of it happening, I’m not even thinking about holding my breath though.

 

Virgin is an absolute no-go (unless you're JustTrains who has never had an issue with Virgin branding in their Voyager pack). GWT is plausible. I have a feeling GNER might be more complicated though. If it's any indicator, the recently released AP Valenta HST pack has branding by default on the GWT, GNER and Midland Mainline liveries, but not the Virgin livery. Virgin is of course an edge case considering the drama they had a few years ago. It isn't in the branding batch, but other brands are.

 

I noticed Virgin had been excluded from the branding download, same with VTEC and the MTU addon. I don’t have the money or space for a desktop PC, I would be spending all my time on the new Valenta pack.

 

One question?

is it being extended beyond Reading?

 

No.

 

Thing is, Virgin is a brand still in use, like the First liveries.
GWT, GNER, MML, Northern Spirit, Valley Lines, Alphaline, Wales & West, etc are defunct brands - still technically must be licensed but they're less likely to be sued for it.

As for GNER, it's complicated because their owners went bust. If the person on Reddit is to be believed (bag of salt, please), then the trademarks etc are preasantly owned by a private individual.

 

I seem to recall a bloke on Twitter being rather annoyed with Accurascale for using the GNER livery and branding on their OO-gauge Class 89 without his permission. That was some time ago now, I haven't heard anything more, and the model is still up for pre-order, so I guess it was all resolved in the end.

 

That is disappointing.

 

Why? It was never implied it was going to be extended and Liam has said on more than once occasion it wasn't going to be extended.

 

It's a free remaster, not a paid update

 

Being used actively as a brand isn't relevant. The East Coast livery is unbranded despite it not being used for ten years now. There are plenty of other examples.

 

Precisely. DTG couldn't use Deutsche Bundesbahn or Santa Fe branding without the permission of DBAG and BNSF.

 

Come on #DTG get on board!, this is incredible!.

 

It would certainly be interesting getting the insight from one of the team who have an in depth knowledge of licensing, and how feasible defunct operator liveries would be. One of my fondest memories is taking the Highland Chieftain, all the way from Kings X to Inverness on a GNER HST back in the early 2000s.

 

Even if it were a paid add-on, where would you extend to though?

Newbury, Didcot or Swindon would be possibilities although not all services stop at these and they would require as much modelling as many whole routes to cover the milage.

The Thames branches would be nice but relatively minimal operational working potential. Greenford branch has interesting freight operations but a rather obscure route to add in.

 

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The only exceptions I can think of are EWS (yet DB Cargo is unbranded), and GBRf (who I assume have granted a licence as they seem to work with AP for sound recordings)

 

Whoopsies.

The general statement is still true though. London Midland, Northern, SWT, Anglia and SPT are all defunct brands that aren't included by default in at least one pack. It has changed over the years; Anglia and SWT have been included in later packs but not some earlier ones despite both being defunct at the point of release of those packs. There are probably more.

 

Bringing back on topic by casually reposting this. I’m slightly giddy over this remaster and can’t get over how good this screenshot is.

 

1. Since they have the license back will trains be branded ?

2. Will there be a GWR 230?

3. What Liveries will the 166 have FGW/GWR/GWL ?

 

Another shameless replug of screenshots for those who haven’t been following, this is what FGW Blue will look like, what with the dynamic lines also being subject to the limitations of the license.


Also another gorgeous one of the viaduct at Maidenhead, shared by Liam a while back.

 

Really looking forward to this remaster!

But, Liam, can you confirm if the full timetable will be available for consoles (both Gen 8 and 9)?

 

Maybe remove AI Underground Trains for Console with the Tube Stock and Class 484
Because even Series X and PS5 has a lot of Memory Issues and can’t even handle the Updated Köln Aachen Timetable or Your Cathcart Timetable

 

Well I noticed you proposing content removal on the SKA timetable, before everyone has even had a chance to play it, and now here you are proposing content removal on GWE before it is even done. Content removal is not the answer. Besides the obvious solution of just fixing/optimizing the game better, at the very least players should be presented with other choices, such as layer selection or optional reduced timetables. In any case, suggestions for entire layer removals before we've seen anything at all seem premature, at best

 

I also agree, TSW optimization is really bad

 

Dude we can run the Cathcart circle timetable perfectly fine, don’t know what you’re on about

 

But Not on any console because of the blurry textures

 

But its still playable. Blurry textures don't stop you being able to move the trains.

Blurry textures are graphical, they don't alter the gameplay.

 

I never get blurry textures on Cathcart? Seems to run just fine.

 

I do all the time with the 380. Every service

 

Have You all DLCs and layers active?
With console You’re playing

 

I’m literally a Xbox One series X player and pretty much never encountered blurry textures on Cathcart and I have all layers on,

 

Unselecting layers does not improve performance, because the trains are loaded in anyway.

Blurry textures would make any other game be considered unplayable. It isn't an excuse.

 

You load up a service, set the direction, release the brakes and apply the throttle. The train moves.

Around 10 minutes later you arrive at your first stop. You notice a poster has become blurry. Yet you can still move the train.

As far as I see it, as long as I can still move the train and complete a full service it is still playable, regardless of any blurry textures that may appear.

I'm not saying nor implying they're acceptable (they're really not and do annoy me), but it is hardly unplayable when the main objective is still able to be completed.

 

I was able to run Cathcart on a PS4 Pro with the 380 timetable and only got blurry when the 350/390 showed up.

On the PS5 it hasn't gotten blurry once, even with Fife and the other layers (350/390/801 etc)

 

Wish I was able to easily brush off the blurry textures like you can! For me it definitely lowers my enjoyment of driving a route. The Mildmay line is the biggest culprit and I also notice it on WCMLS quite often too.

 

I can’t Play any Route with blurry textures
It makes me really angry that I stop playing it.

 

This sounds miles off a release…

 

I don't think it is. Just be patient.

 

If I remember correctly one of the devs mentioned that the 390 and 801 used high amounts of memory which then causes burry textures

 

What system are you on then? I play on PS5 and only get blurry textures on Mildmay and Frankfurt. When I toggle some layers on Mildmay off, it doesn't occur. Other new routes only some stutters in a few busy areas, but no blurriness. Very rarely a crash.

 

Xbox Series X

 

I've just learned to ignore them. They're like a bad smell that I've just gotten used to.

 

DTG Liam
Not sure if this has been asked yet but can I ask how many total services are there in this remaster? (Ai and playable included)

 

Kind request but can we leave the performance issues with consoles out of this thread and post it in a more appropriate thread please?

It’s getting a bit cluttered in here now and I’d ideally like to leave this thread open for GWE updates and pictures.

Thanks