Route Mittenwaldbahn: Innsbruck - Garmisch-partenkirchen Feedback Thread

diseverinix Toggle the legend off when in live map is the workaround for consoleros AFAIK

 

Ok I‘ll try it (I‘m on PC ofc given it‘s a modded timetable but it might work)

 

60 minutes on Xbox and crash, no chance to make any scenario. Where are admins to acknowledge this awful situation? Shame.

 

Recently started playing this DLC and found numerous issues so far as many others have reported. I'm just here to report that the DB 111 timetable service titled "E1728 (Karwendel) Preparation" spawns you with "Signal Passed At Danger" and is unplayable. I was hoping to do this prep service followed by the run from Innsbruck to Garmisch.

 

I'm not there right now, I can't try, but in general, when a locomotive is passing a train, etc., at some exits, approval is required from the signalman and then the signal is released to proceed. If there can't be a mistake in this

 

I made a timetable run with the 111 from Innsbruck to Mittenwald in the evening. Game crashed about 15 Minutes before Mittenwald. There was no such thing, before the update with "more mountains"
Normally I am not the complaining guy, but it starts to p...ss me off. Frankfurt Fulda, not playable, Garmisch Innsbruck same. Honest Feedback from DTG, where..? Of course just new announcements of incoming content.

I really like trains, and unfortunately there is no alternative on Xbox. I normally buy every new German, Austrian, Dutch DLC day one. If it goes on like this, I really don't know

 

I have tried the same run yesterday and arrived in Garmisch without any troubles. However i have experienced one crash on this route. On the crash-run i recall using a custom livery and have used map and switching camera position extensivly. These are exactly what DTG recommended to avoid. (beside dynamic weather see
Temporary Workarounds To Help Performance / Reduce Crashes

Not the best option, but imho Mittenwald is one of the best DLC and i wouldn t be discouraged.

 

I don't really understand. In this case, you receive a SPAD immediately upon spawn. You have no opportunity to affect anything in the game.

 

Possible Fix for crashes on Mittenwaldbahn and Frankfurt Fulda for Xbox series X:

After testing i've found that if you dont use quick resume (loading up the game with all the dlc before starting Fulda or Mittenwaldbahn) will help prevent crashes.

Also I used HD graphics (yes it looks not nice, but i got used to it) from the settings and Custom Clear weather. Make sure you dont use much of the external camera's or photo mode. Zooming in maybe also builds up memory.

Also prevent using open windows in the cab and avoid using the horn if you can as much as possible, because somehow I think the sound engine can also make the game crash and will build up memory usage.

On mittenwaldbahn you can get away with a lot more gameplay like external views and looking around etc because the route is more forgiving than Fulda Frankfurt.

So... basically sit in the cab still...and just drive the train

But with this method I could complete long services, also during rush hour. No problems when entering Frankfurt hbf for instance.

More info from the dev's:

https://forums.dovetailgames.com/th...nds-to-help-performance-reduce-crashes.88010/

Hopefully the dev's will fix these 2 routes... so we can play them normally. But for now this should work for some people that are willing to take some sacrifices.

 

I had that too. Instead I selected “On foot” at Innsbruck, at 4:55 (to give me time to walk around in case I got lost - which I did!). I walked over to where 5417 Train Preparation (Part 2) finishes, took over the train a few minutes after the AI had finished connecting to the empty carriages, and I was able to start the service at around 5:08.

I finished with 9,577 APs, which wasn’t too bad.

 

I have even better crash prevention method... stay on platform and don't move.

 

Thanks a lot for this! Your method is way more efficient and way easier to follow!

 

Service E3614 Preparation starting at 13:51 in Mittenwald. I get derailed each and every time I try crossing the X switch at track no. 4.

 

Yes, same effect here (egs)
it's not a crossing, it's a launch pad

 

It seems like Mittenwaldbahn got some fixes with the latest patch. Can someone summarize if any of the bigger issues that were mentioned in this thread are still there?

 

The stuff that gets on my nerves the most has all not been touched.

Talked about it here:
https://forums.dovetailgames.com/th...chen-feedback-thread.89204/page-7#post-976059
And two posts after this as well...

 

This is not necessarily unprototypical. I'm not saying it isn't an error in the route, but you can encounter this IRL. One example would be if a block signal goes green because a train ahead has moved on, another would be if the switch/interlocking the signal is protecting changes from a diverging route to ahead, so that you got a Vr2 but by the time you reach the Hauptsignal things have gone clear again..

 

This exact same sentence went through my mind while reading the patch notes.

I'm very glad that Linke Rheinstrecke got some very much needed and long requested fixes (although it took TSG's effort to fix DTG's route...) but the treatment of Mittenwaldbahn in regard of updates is very frustrating. As of now, I'm convinced that DTG is holding back the patch(es) on purpose.

 

Oooh, this is nice! A quasi-expert feature in a base locomotive. Although faults per se are not modeled, it's possible with the 1020, dragging a heavy load up those grades, to overheat the transformer. You have to keep the draw under 200 amps except for short bursts.

 

I also derailed 2 times with the mission E3614 Preparation. But I also noticed that in Mittenwald a lot of switches doesn't have junction motors. Is this correct?

 

try service 5439 (part 1) at 07:40 in the 1020. there are 2 such situations between garmish and mittenwald.
(and those weren't even the ones i meant before )

No other trains in sight.

Same run: approaching middelwald double yellow doesn't trigger 1000hz light (vorsicht)
edit: same for double yellow at scharnits in part 2 (vorsicht) main signal is red here

 

XBOX X after 60min CTD... still

 

On the "Mittenwaldbahn" in "Railway Travel," Chapter 3, I rode train E 14116 Innsbruck - Dortmund. While waiting for an oncoming train in Klais, I encountered the E 3621 Garmisch-Partenkirchen - Mittenwald, traveling backwards. This means the locomotive was at the back, or the control car was missing.

Auf der "Mittenwaldbahn" im Eisenbahnreisen, Kapitel 3 fuhr ich den Zug E 14116 Innsbruck - Dortmund. Als ich in Klais auf ein gegen Zug warten musst, kommt mir den E 3621Garmisch-Partenkirchen - Mittenwald, rückwärts entgegen. Das heisst die Lok war hinten, oder es fehlt der Steuerwagen.

 

Confirmed. The E3621 leaves Garmisch at 20:06 with the n-Wagen facing forward, loco at the rear:


Also, it's not listed as playable service in the timetable, but if you spawn on foot and sit in the driver's seat in the loco (the one facing the n-Wagen), the service can be taken over.
This is perhaps the weirdest bug I've encountered on Mittenwaldbahn so far...

 

I just noticed something, that seems loosely related to the problem posted above:
Shunting services which start with the n-Wagen facing forward don't seem to appear in the timetable.

I just brought the E681 from Garmisch to Innsbruck successfully. Afterwards, there's a followup shunting service for changing direction at Innsbruck. I have to push the train backwards away from the platform, to a siding, move around it and push it back to the platform again.
Long story short, I messed up big time during the shunting and derailed at a misaligned switch. Ashamed I went back to the main menu and wanted to start the shunting service anew, but it's not in the timetable.

 

All apologies if this has been mentioned before, but for those that are interested it does seem that Quick Off/Schnell Aus has been mapped to D-pad down on the controller, at least for Series S. I read some comments that this was possibly planned, but never saw any confirmation that it had actually been implemented.

As far as Mittenwaldbahn on Series S, although I was at first hesitant to buy due to reduced draw distances, I can say that it is still enjoyable despite that and very much worth it. A top route for sure.

 

I had some wonderful rides on the Mittenwaldbahn today. But, I did notice two details I'd like to share.

1. There are some timetable activities, where the cab control car is missing. The loco will be at the rear of the train. It would've been nice if a Bnrdzf was included to solve this. Is there any such planned?

2. The red Intercity coach reads Avmz 207. The chassis is wrong in both, the door and door window shape, as well as the red signalling lights. Here's a link to the real coach, you'll notice what I mean.

https://www.fnp.de/frankfurt/frankf...ghafen-schon-2019-fertig-werden-11747016.html

Will this be fixed at some point?

Kind regards.

 

I think its safe to assume that none of your suggestions are planned. This DLC has been delivered as such and I would not see any need for the devs to invest much more time on this. If you are on PC there is a nice modern tt mod available, though...

I think I dont really understand your first point, though. Are you saying there are tt services where the loco is at the back of the train? Are you maybe talking about the shunting operations in Innsbruck? They were explained by Lukas to be prototypical, though. Other then these, I have not seen any such consists driving around.

The link in your second point directs me to an article about the refurbishments in Frankfurt Flughafen Regional Bahnhof and have absolutely nothing to do with an Avmz. Maybe the wrong link?

 

There is a bit of an oops in the timetable where one service accidentally reverses from Garmisch to Mittenwald. That was not intentional!

 

Well, it seems understandable on the one hand, taking into consideration that development of a chassis takes more effort than with previous simulators. However, I think I can say that I can expect a well researched product, when the initial price has been increased by another 4 EUR.

Don't get me wrong, but I remarked the error with the red Intercity coach even before the preview stream on a German forum and nothing has been changed. I just want to know, why products are announced and presented in that attitude, when research hasn't been conducted adequately? I mean would anyone accept the TGV painted as ICE and pay the full price? I bought the product, because I like the route and hope for more 1980s and 1990s stuff, but I do have to consider future purchases being done during discounts.
I changed the link by the way, but will add it once more.

What I am trying to say is, if anyone knows images from Innsbruck in these days, they'll notice how much went amiss on what made Innsbruck as a transit hub between north and south so special - the variety of trains. And yes, there are some services where the loco is at the rear, because there should've been a cab car Silberling, which are not shunting ops.

Cab car Silberling

http://www.eisenbahnerinnerungen.de/wagen/db-BDnrz739-361-09.html

Deactivated cab car

http://www.eisenbahnerinnerungen.de/wagen/db-BDnb742-051-15.html

Intercity coach

https://www.jernhesten.dk/forbillede/DB/Personvogne/resultat.asp?quest=Avmz-207-1&selskab=DB

I like the add on and the rides today were splendid. Its just that such details were firstly, easy to research and secondly, they were mentioned long before initial release. That is saddening. The route and the atmosphere, besides this, is splendid, though.

Kind regards

 

Cab cars were not really used on the route, the trains often but not always carried the deactivated cab cars acting more for luggage compartment reasons more than anything. It was not included just for time sake, the (deactivated) cab car is quite a different beast to the Bnb and ABnb and would have added considerably to the development time and so had to be dropped.

Similarly the Avmz we are aware it is the wrong one, but considering it would be have required a major rebuild it couldn't be justified for a bonus addition. The IC coaches were not originally in the plan for the route, they were a relatively last minute addition with there only really being time for a couple of bug fixes and a limited repaint. Again it would be a case of not having it entirely, or working with what we had available.

 

Havnt spotted this one yet. Which one is it, if I may ask

EDIT: But I would agree, this kind of thing I would expect to get fixed over time. There are more pressing (at least for me) signalling and visual bugs with this route, which I am more bothered with, tbf, then the occasioanly pushed service...

 

I understand, I fully understand and appreciate yoy having taken time to respond in a depth, that was unbeknownst to me.

I do, however, feel the need to ask if these coaches (deactivated cab car and the original Avmz-207) could not be considered for a later point for authenticity reasons? The Bqmz on the other hand is a perfect example on how it could've been done right. It really looks as how the original looked like.

As said, what you've written makes perfect sense and, as I said earlier, I purchased Niddatalbahn and Mittenwaldbahn to support you and your idea for retro stuff. So, may I express hope for the most common German coach class - the m-Wagen? It'd be a dream come true for me and many others. They could be used for the Mittenwaldbahn, the 1984 timetable etc.. Same would go for the DBBR 420 sixth series in the classy paints.

Thanks once more.

Kind regards.

 

I don't think you can actually drive it because of the wrong end but its service E3621 at some silly hour, I think you have to spawn on foot to see it.

I would love to see more period coaches (and wagons) to flesh out the various timetables. Be they Am/Bm's etc, or Mitteleinstiegswagen and any number of other Bundesbahn or ÖBB coaches. The Hasenkasten are another obvious almost mandatory addition for the future, but as of right now we don't have anything to disclose but always keep an eye out on the roadmap.

 

You can't estimate how relieved it feels to read that. It is exactly what I am looking forward for as well. As well as I am hoping for the 420 in the old paints, eg for layers in Linke Rheinstrecke or Niddatalbahn.

Is there a reason, why there's no adverts a later "Alle reden vom Wetter, wir nicht" or "Alles schläft, einer Fährt" that were mounted in fittings as seen here? Take note of the fittings in the door area as well.

https://www.bahnbilder.de/bild/Deut...tungen/44430/innenraum-eines-silberlings.html

Maybe, I might add as an idea for a future project the "Rollbahn" between Münster and Osnabrück in the 1980s. That would be the ideal route for these trains. Looking forward to more retro from you. The route itself was worth paying the full price.

Kind regards.

 

When you spawn on foot in Garmisch at 20:05, the service is waiting and can be driven by entering the n-Wagen-facing cab of the loco. See my post #424 in this thread

Every single one of those things you mentioned would be amazing in itself! From my perspective: The more period rolling stock, the better

Same here. There's rumours about a big Mittenwaldbahn patch being in the pipeline for months now, but no word from any official about it lately... still waiting.

 

It has caught my eye that TSG seem to be keen to expand the vintage coach selection (the IC coaches even if they’re compromises, the Silberlinge, the Umbauwagen still on the way). I think it’s really great that TSG spend resources there at all instead of focusing only on the locos. It helps to actually sell the traffic as authentic. I’m looking forward to each new wagon almost as much as the new locos for what is a train without wagons? I don’t want to have the freight cars go unmentioned either (the new Falns I’m especially looking forward to).

Hasenkasten, now there’s a thing. I know I always said the KaKo is the only cab car I love, but I probably have to correct myself and add the Hasenkasten to that as well - uncomfortable as they were for the real drivers!

 

I am happy, too, that TSG has a focus on the Bundesbahn era. As such I am happy with the 628, 103, 111 and the Silberlinge as well as the soon to be released Umbauwagen.

However, DominusEdwardius , I was a bit surprised that "only" the 2nd class version was announced. I went into my sources to figure out more and found out, that the 1st/2nd class Umbauwagen has the same layout and seat models as the all 2nd class. Only the upholstery was different. Therefore, please bare with me when I ask this, but can't you guys consider the 1st/2nd class version as well for variety?

Had another ride on the Mittenwaldbahn today and I am really amazed.

Kind regards.

 

As much as I'd love that too, I'm gonna say we shouldn't get too greedy. We can count us lucky to get sooo many treats in one single DLC as it is already.
Just think about it. Not one, but two new versions of the E94, then there's the backdated 218, the B4yg and the Gbs, a new livery for the Falns... and also a whole new timetable. Plus some scenario services for the E94 088 on other routes. That's already a big step into vintage territory, with just one DLC.

I bet TSG (and perhaps others) already have got more treasures like this in the pipeline. Let's just wait and see

 

You're absolutely right AmityBlight , therfore, I hope it was nevertheless okay to ask, as it was relatively easy to get two for one (upholstery and the orange stripe). Back in the days I used to have MSTS and the entire collection from German Railroads and I loved it. The Mittenwaldbahn in the 1980s was definitely a better choice than in present day.

Kind regards.

 

the first/second isn't exactly the same for the second only coach as such. The overal body is the same, but on the 1st/2nd the 1st side has an 4 windows instead of 5 and I think the interior of the 1st class section was somewhat comparmentalised. Reference has seemingly been a little tricky for the interior in general, I don't think I've ever come across a photo of the interior of the 1st class section. While yes it isn't isn't the hardest of conversion, we do have a preference for always doing the more common coach type first. For what the coach does in this pack having just the 2nd class coach is more than adequate.

And as always it doesn't preclude the other two versions of the 4yg being done in future.

Oh and its techically 2 liveries for each of the goods wagons in the E94 pack, each of the wagons have two liveries and it randomly selects somewhere between the two to give further variations. Its not perfect and occasionally you do get unlucky and have several similar numbers next to one another but I hope it should at least break the monotony of identical weathered wagons in a yard. You can see that in action in this shot

 

I noticed that before - a very worthwhile endeavour to my mind. It does look much better than the identical cars on other routes

Plus the much needed physics rework (I assume, at least)! The existing TSW Falns are ancient and not useable for realistic freight trains.

 

Yes the Falns setup was basically redone from scratch, along with the standard features of the pack of having the option of oil lamps instead of boards.

 

There were two types of first class Umbauwagen, a result of DB, in complance with UIC policy, abolishing third class. To implement this they redesignated their third class coaches second class and their second class coaches first class, creating in effect 1A and 1B coaches (distinguishable by the number of windows/seat groups, and quality of the wood paneling)

 

Of course, it's always okay to ask
Agreed, Mittenwaldbahn in the 80's totally beats the modern version in my opinion. I might be biased, but we've got so many modern-day routes already, that something like 80's-Mittenwaldbahn feels like a breath of fresh air!

And if you absolutely want a 1st class compartment, the Umbauwagen can be paired with the ABn (the 1st/2nd class n-Wagen) very well. Mixing them was incredibly common back in the day.

4 windows is correct:

Picture courtesy of Fränkische Museumseisenbahn e.V.

And yes, it seems that the 1st class compartment has been split into two parts (2 windows per side each) for smokers and non-smokers, with a separator wall in between.
The seats also were different, more akin to the ones in the n-Wagen, but upholstered instead of artificial leather. I've seen a picture of it a while ago, but can't find it right now.

Ah, just like the Es wagons on Niddertalbahn! Thanks for pointing it out, totally missed that!
And thanks in advance for so much attention to detail

 

The gift that keeps on giving. That sounds like a fantastic little addition.

 

While we players always are Billy Idols (More, More, More) there is a practical limit to the quantity of new rolling stock a given route can include, before it becomes economically unviable (or priced to the skies). Especially with a small outfit like TSG, there are only so many man-hours available to make new rolling stock from scratch, or do heavy overhauls of existing stock. So I think I would rather have the occasional perfunctory reskin to not having the coach at all. As it is they did the Krokodil, a period rework of the 111, and heavy inside and out reworks of two Silberlinge plus one of the IC coaches. While it would be wonderful to have every engine and passenger coach that ever passed through Innsbruck or Garmisch in the mid-80s, it simply can't be.

(However, if TSG were to do a small DLC with period OBB coaches, they could take my money now)