In today's Roadmap stream it has been once again talked about the sounds of 146, which supposedly receive only some tweaks, not major overhaul (*sigh*) and it also has been mentioned the 146 is getting an LZB upgrade, but there supposedly is a "number of 146s in TSW2". Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't it all supposed to be the MSB 146 layering to all the routes (RRO, HRR, SKA, HMA, HHL)? (BRD being possibly the only exception, where the loco is part of the route itself) There should now only be one version of the 146 and all changes to it should be seen throughout all the layered routes. Or does this work in a different way to how it was explained some time ago? Will changes made to MSB 146 (and 185 for that matter) be seen on the route it layers to?
I think it’s mega confusing that there are multiple versions of the same loco. The Class 66 is the same with one of them performing better than the other. Maybe they should simplify it and just have one model that is upgraded/rebuilt if necessary.
That makes sense. Either use the same model, or if you upgrade it for a new DLC, then upgrade it in the original as well. Keeps the in game menus less confusing, and also lets old stock get upgrade to the current standards
There are now 2 146s in the game (on the dev side, not the player side) as you pointed out yourself: There‘s the MSB and the BRD version. Since the BRD version is at least based on the MSB version - more likely just a straight copy - those are probably the 2 versions Adam spoke of. The potential problem is that we may end up seeing differences between the MSB and BRD one similair to the different Class 66s. It all depends on how much (if any) work the core team has put into the BRD 146 in addition to the work of Adam‘s team on the MSB 146. Yes, since the layer uses the MSB loco. Whatever the MSB one can/can‘t do, the layers one can/can‘t do.
Actually, they said in one of the streams, even though the 146 comes as a layer from MSB, the loco itself is not exactly the same, i e. changes on the MSB loco will likely not affect the version layering onto SKA or HMA for example. I think it works more like "If you have the DLC, the layer is activated", but the locos and stuff of the layer are actually part of the route and therefore their "own" version, which makes things quite a mess :/ They are not using the code and model of the original version, but each have their own model (which would be a copy paste, but now that the original gets changed, it's clone will not change until that routes receives some time from the preservation crew)
I'm no game developer, but the whole system regarding locomotives seems not very optimal. For example, the need to own a specific route to use a loco DLC feels wrong. If I want to use the BR 155 on MSB, why do I have to also buy RSN? I feel like all the locomotives should be made to be independent of any route. Not only would this remove the need to own specific routes to gain access new DLC, but would also make more sense for updating the locomotive without needing the preservation crew to make a specific pass on a certain route. Just my thoughts.
I hope that wouldn't happen to be the case. Having to wait for nearly all german routes to be looked for the 146 to stop maniacally wheezing on them.
I really hope so too, it is a shame that this loco is undriveable. And now that there might be a better version, we will still have to wait years for it to be usable on all the other routes, is really sad news. But if I remember correctly from things that were said before on streams (and reading a bit between the lines as well, but not too much! ), DLC's activate the layers, but the layers don't actually use any assets/locos/wagons from this DLC that activates the layer.
You must not be understanding properly then. The layers do, in fact, use the trainsets from the original DLC. The easiest way to prove this is to install a mod that modifies the MSB DB 146.2 (say, a simple repaint) and then drive a DB 146.2 on SKA. You will see the repaint because it is the same locomotive. Otherwise, DTG would have to include hundreds of megabytes worth of data for each additional layer and it would also create the risk of someone coming along and "activating" the layers through hex editing and receiving free trainsets. It is simply not how it is done. Cheers
I still think that shouldn't be the case. If you download a mod for a loco, it influences it everywhere it layers. If you make a livery for a loco, it appears on it even on layered routes (ECW Class 66 on SEHS). There's no indication of it being a different file when it layers.
I see your points, but don't think mods and liveries are necessarily an indicator. But I don't know how the underlying tech works, so it is all speculations at that point. We will see next week, when the MSB fixes are released, and I really really keep my fingers crossed it will be driveable again across all routes
I will have TSW2020 installed a lot more on my PC since this is the only way to play the 143/146/186 without your ears to die. Also the sound of the passenger cars is broken without any doubt in TSW2. The dostos sound like freight cars going on a bad jointed track, and the sound is so loud you can hear them from inside the cab with the window closed. The sound for the preserved German content should receive a MAJOR overhaul in order to sound at least like they do in TSW2020. I still don't understand why DTG are ignoring the huge sound issues. Again look at LIRR, M7 after the big route upgrade, still has a major sound downgrade compared to what it sounds in TSW2020 with 70% of sounds missing.
At some point DTG made a development decision and this was that the loco assets had to live inside a route DLC, it's "home" so to speak, and because of this decision it's now much harder to get away from that and make the locos independent, but this isn't a new thing for DTG In TS1 there are multiple versions of multiple locos (the 66 is a good example where there are (or have been) about 6 over time) all at different stages of development or polish I did hope with TSW that we could get away from this mess, and only have different locos when needs be such as generations or revisions (ie a 465/0 is different to a 465/9 so would be a different listing or at least a sub listing) I wouldn't want them to be SOLD separately though, because that would be a nightmare (and again has and IS happening in TS1). Imagine a situation where you buy the loco DLC only to find it's free in another DLC somewhere else but nothing tells you this... That's happened to me a few times in TS1 Your question of "If I want to use the BR 155 on MSB, why do I have to also buy RSN?" therefore is answered by "Because the BR155 loco comes with RSN and not MSB"
This is definitely going to happen with the BR 363 DLC, even though it will also come with Riesa Dresden
If it's supplied with two different routes then you will end up with two different copies, both or neither of which could or might be upgraded at any time when the pres.col team get to that route... All very much confusing
And the 363 versions are not exactly the same. The livery is different and I think some minor artwork changes inside the cab to keep it accurat. So it's not a 1:1 copy as it is with the Dostos for example.
