Congratulations first to TSG for the hard work. But 17.99€/$ for a loc DLC? (why?) I'm wrong if I've overread something But doesn't Lok dlcs always cost 13.99? Or am I completely lost? Or is there a large scope of the locomotive?
thought the price of a loco DLC was 15,99€ (referring to the class 700 as an example), kinda mean it's +2€ now.
The Acela is listed as the same price at the moment. I can’t remember what I paid for it last year though. However, for a TSG made BR 218, I will pay €17,99 with no concerns whatsoever.
Overpriced. Concerns already being expressed in the "Live" section thread that the sounds don't seem to be as good as they ought to be. Not even a preorder discount. Money will be better spent on something for TSC where I can enjoy the 218 already, or fire up Zusi 3. And if this is the trend for pricing a "standard" German loco, you can bet your boots the expert 101 is going to rock in over £20.
This price is absolutley ok in my opinion. Glad to pay for extra mile and quality products! Same goes for the 101 expert line. (Just shame to see DTG crawling at the bare minimum again, they didnt even bother to implement an update in the lightning system of Hamburg - Lübek).
Remember there's more than a 218 in this pack - the cab car at the other end has had extensive work done and re-scripting to work with the diesel too. Matt.
Appreciate that Matt, but in the case of the 218 sounds are everything... if it has failed to deliver then no real urgency to purchase.
Sorry for late answer 1,Thank you for your answer. Yes, I can imagine that implementing something like this is not an easy job. And wonderful to hear that the old 463 gets a so-called ovehoul. I'm curious how the end product will be. (Rough explanation) Because I just thought that the 463 just got a new driver panel
Yes, this locomotive is also completely processed and gets a larger range of functions. So I would understand higher prices in the same way.
I was going by the earlier comment someone had made. Having watched the video clip I recant my earlier view and yes it does sound quite good. Looks like it will be Day One purchase after all. However I do stand by my view that £14.99 and no preorder discount is a little steep and the choice of route for the main layer is uninspiring. This is where more joined up thinking should be adopted by DTG and their partners. At the minimum Hamburg to Lubeck should have been refurbished or even extended to Puttgarden as a complete package. Or the loco given pride of place in a new German diesel route such as Obereruhrtalbahn. Guess I’m correct in assuming it will not layer on to Niddertalbahn or substitute for services on there, which means at some point I need to buy Maintalbahn. That one will be reserved for 50% off in a sale.
On the plus side, at least I will have a native HBK loco that works. The MRCE 182 is outdated with poor brake physics, the 112 - besides having a woefully inaccurate 3D model - still has trouble shutting down traction for whatever reason. The 218 will now actually give me a reason to spend time on HBK. Of course, I’d have immensely enjoyed a backdated version for LFR and Niddertalbahn layering. Given the generally outstanding quality of TSG releases, I won’t complain about them not going the extra mile for this though. Maybe it’ll still come in time like the traffic red 628. And much as I hate its use as an excuse, there is a tremendous amount of potential for free roam with the 218 given it’s use for rescue operations and maintenance of way/work trains. And then there’s also Roland and his popular 219, and I have no doubt that his livery will be done in CC shortly after launch given his popularity in Germany.
The 218 will have a huge benefit for freeroam services. Basicly the first german diesel loco for tsw (not counting the rivet 204..). Yea Roland spent a lot of time overhauling his loco. Removed the turbine and made a small workshop with bench inside the 219 (How brilliant). Also this businessmodel works out as a "one man show", serving the unelectrified sections in the bremen area to save a second loco.
Yeah, it's a tremendous story. I was equally surprised and happy that he got that much general media attention. Then again, it doesn't get much closer to childhood dreams than working on and somewhat living a little bit in your very own loco. Source
I am really excited for the 218 and was a bit shocked when I read the price. I don´t thought that it is too much, I really appreciate TSG DLCs, but I have one little problem: I have 54 cents too less on my Steam account and I´m not able to refill it the next time (especially not with a 20€-card for only half a euro!), now I have to wait for a new sale to get it, but fortunately there are YouTubers that show it so I can enjoy it in a other way for the moment
For those complaining about the price...let's compare. The BR Class 700 is $16.99 The BR 193 is $16.99 The Flying Scotsman is $16.99 The BR Class 52 is $19.99 The BR 182 is $19.99 Make your own conclusions if what you get in the BR 218 pack is comparable to those. If it weren't just on Lubeck and weren't mostly passenger, I'd think the price is reasonable, or at least comparable to previous loco DLCs. It's just not what I'm personally looking for, so I'll wait for a sale since I'm only going to use it in Free Roam anyway. But if you're a Dorito or Lubeck fan.....
The 182 from the DB cost 19,99? Holey..But good, yes, thank you again for the lists. Then I would really say that the 218 is still cheap.
Yes that does kind of put things into perspective. And as a comparison for SimRail the ET22 Cargo Pack sells for £16.75, albeit you get additional wagons as well. And SimRail is still in early access...
So I personally can't judge to simRail But if it has the same scope as here in tsw then I think that's a good price.
$17.99 is overpriced? Loco DLC's back in tsw2020 tsw2 days were $19.99. OK some dlc's like the 700 are $16.99 but I don't see how it's overpriced. Value is subjective
For me the only sticking point with this add-on is the route. I don't think it is one of the more interesting of the German routes and it could do with a TOD4 upgrade. The loco looks fantastic however, I imagine I will end up purchasing it.
The 218 is the dream loco from my childhood! I fondly remember walks with my grandma with me wanting to stay at the local crossing to wait for just one more train... and then another... The wait never took long, and on that non-electrified line most trains - passenger and freight - were pulled by 218s in their long-lasting ivory-blue livery. A small station was directly next to the crossing, so the sound of them powering up was burned into my memory forever. If that livery were included in the pack I would gladly pay a couple bucks more. Hope that comes with future DLC, I think they kinda hinted at that possibility in the last roadmap. Source: https://www.bahnbilder.de/bild/deut...die-ozeanblaubeige-218-128-7-am-02092012.html
So personally, I don't think it's bad now. Well, I was just a little confused because otherwise Lok dlcs only cost 13.99 (price based on doller and Euro)
I think for a TSG product it is going to be worth it. Plus the extra work on the cab cars. The lack of layering is a big disappointment although that issue is firmly in DTG's camp.
We should get a “diesel day” timetable for the Rhine Valley when there has been a major supply failure for the overheads. All loco hauled long distance trains are 218 hauled, while local services are covered by 612’s and 628’s. Pure fantasy I know, but would be kind of fun.
Quite nice idea and i don't have an issue with fictional services at all. But the downside of that is the work that has to go into making that happen. For me (TSG) that's economically not reliable at all. Something lots of people forget about when discussing the prices is that TSG is a tiny show, at least from the financial perspectives sight. No room for experiments or full blown new timetables. That is nothing we can achieve. The 218 took more or less a year to being built with 2 people and some external help. All that needs to be paid at the end or the creation of such a DLC is dot doable. And the maximum number of sold units is limited due to the fact what niche products they are, no matter what quality or amount of gameplay a DLC has. So, the limits are set for tiny creators that need to stay economical on the safe side of things. If someone wants to build the perfect DLC and doesn't need to have a look at the financials, that's fine, but nothing TSG can provide. That basically counts for the 101 expert too, what is more a hobby project of some people, an experiment at least (probably a financial disaster, what i would not do when it were the only product i rely on making my business survive). I know that basically no customer cares about the business side of creating such DLCs, but we have to take care of it or there would be no more products at all. The higher price was my call. DTG was the part who wanted to prvent a price increase. But i need that to make more products on my own and not only 2nd party work.
Thanks for responding Maik. Guess I should reinstall the editor and teach myself to make a timetable, would be simpler if it was in some sort of spreadsheet format but that is something for DTG. I recanted my earlier views about the price after watching the little preview stream on the Test Trak. And as mentioned it is still competitive compared to the SimRail ET22. This is a much loved prototype not just for German folk but everyone who has visited. Fond memories of travelling on the D Zugs from Hamburg to Puttgarden (then on the train ferry) with 218 haulage and of course in the Kempten area. (Stayed in a lovely hotel there which served a great breakfast). So I am really looking forward taking this for a run in TSW next week.
I chose this livery first for the Creators Club. It should be available on Tuesday. The photo seems to me to be a retro version of blue/beige, as I have a model that still has the original 80s paintwork. Because on 218 293-9 the weight data is on the left and the revision date is far to the right (window area). I did some research, unfortunately there aren't that many livery variants for the 218. Most of them are from the old DB era. Nowadays only a few locomotives are still running in DB red. Of course there are some private railway variants, but the many external grilles leave no room for advertising, as is the case with modern Vectrons or Traxx locomotives. I particularly like the "Sonderzug nach Pankow" version from 2003, the song of the same name by Udo Lindenberg for the 20th anniversary. If you don't understand German, you'll have problems with the video, but you can also see the driver's seat, including the steering wheel (sorry, gear selector). Also, a very difficult motif to copy.
I hardly do day-one purchases. This one is different. It's TSG! Now, a new (best TSG) route featuring the BR 232, and layering in the 218 ............... and I'd be in haven. One can dream.
That's actually an interesting thought. Both your 2nd and 3rd party work is welcome. Your G6 is still considered as one of the best locos ingame. Sadly everybody forgets it exists because it's "only" a shunting loco on a TOD3 route. I hope the 218 will have more visibility. One major factor is a future layering. Whatever DTGs next route is, make sure DTG uses the 218 and gives it a layer or at least a substitution. Maybe only a layer as railtour. But it should be there. Also I guess the 218 will be very popular on release. Even if its home route is a TOD3 route, i don't think that a lot of people care about this. The majority will - including me - will use it on free roam on every other route. Just please check that for the release it is also available in the consist editor. Unlike the 111 or the Bmz coaches which haven't been available in the consist editor at release.
It is understandable that such things are not cheap, but I personally always thought that TSG is not a small group. But well, I always say as long as the product is good, the price does not matter.
There is even a topic about it? Good as I wanted to make one. Normally I don't complain about DTG's pricing but this is ridiculous. A loco on an outdated route at that price point is beyond my compression.
Oh, I do care; especially for TSG. The hard work and love poured into the product is obvious and as a customer I can see, hear and (to a degree with my RailDriver) "feel" the high quality standards you and your team have. And to have new TSG releases in the future, I don't wait for sales to aquire your producs. Same will happen with the Tadami line (I know, it's not related to TSG but for the sake of making a point) "buying to support the creator(s).". When I go into my TSW profile, the TSG products (locomotives) lead by XP/playtime. I have hundreds of hours spent with what you and your team creates and I enjoy them until today. Please remember that, you, your team and the "extended friends" (don't know how to describe the 101 Experts sufficient) make a lot of people totally happy. And I have no idea on how many "DTG-branded"-products you worked, too - but I have a feeling that's those that come right behind my TSG favourites. tl;dr looking forward to all of your releases because of high standards, good quality and "love and affection", will continue to buy day1 and counting the days until next Tuesday
To be fair I was sceptical as you can see by my initial reaction earlier in the thread. However I did reconsider my view having watched the preview clip. Think this will be up there with the G6 and (original) 101 and looks to be in all but name a "pro" style loco. My only caveats are: 1. There should have been a pre-order discount, come on DTG Matt there's still time to get something organised on Steam. 2. Hamburg to Lubeck is understandable as the core route, but someone at DTG should have been tasked with doing a Cathcart style update. It's also a route that still suffers from red light issues particularly loading a save game. However the choice of sub par Maintalbahn as the follow up route was very ill considered. Probably the one German route aside from RT many of us have not bothered buying due to issues with both the route and default train. So it will be Day One after all with me, but I respect the views of those who may want to wait for a sale.
a) Did you mean "TSG's pricing"? DTG isn't creating the 218. b) Don't buy it if it's not worth it to you.
Well, if you take it that way, the 218 is actually unnecessary without a really large diesel/but I personally already have some tasks that I want to give in tsw the 218 (can) (in short, we need more D routes (diesel routes)
I really don’t get the complaints about the price point. A TSG loco with a cab car on top will be more than worth it. Doubly so given the versatility of the 218.
The funny part is this is pretty much what I was saying in the other thread, where you got all over me It’s on Lubeck and… maintalbahn. An average route and a poor route. It’s probably going to be a great loco that’s too reliant on stuff like free roam to actually be enjoyable. That might deter some people to wait for sales, some to hold off all together, and that’s why I think dtg shouldve gotten involved with further layers, tod4 for Lubeck. I get it, “they don’t have time”… but Maik barely has time for his own dlc and still helps dtg out with DEU content. They left this loco to the birds tbh, unless there’s plans to incorporate this heavily onto new DEU routes going forward, but I don’t have a crystal ball
Lots of good points, and I hope the 218 doesn't suffer the same fate as the G6, another fantastic loco let down by its home route. I still drive it on free roam on every new route that releases because it hasn't been topped! I guess i just don't see the strategy behind DTG taking one of their best loco builders (IMO), and then sending their products out to die on subpar routes. Someone will respond, "It's a third-party blah blah blah", but to the customer 1st, 2nd, 3rd party doesn't matter- only the product that they get to play, and sadly that also applies when they go to hit that review button, not many will think, "i should reward TSG for their thousands of hours of hard work", when they load up their shiny new 218 in the inky mess of TOD3 lighting, or get stuck at a red signal DTG never bothered to fix. Just to be clear i put this 1000% on DTG, and 0% on TSG. It's a shame there's not a more coherent strategy at work with the TSW franchise.
Tsg mainly helps out with dtg German content because it's their main source of income to fund his other projects. Tsg has very few people and they aren't robots at the end of the day. They do what they can
