185.2: International?

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  1. solicitr

    solicitr Well-Known Member

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    Just wondering if the multivolt functionality is actually modeled, or if it's illusory and the MFD controls don't actually do anything (It definitely works on the 185.5).
     
  2. TemporaryAl

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    So, currently testing this in TSW3 and in Switzerland, then France as we speak...

    Be wary that my results are from TSW3 and come from spawning in the locos with the godmode mod...

    -----CH 15kV AC-----
    -RP 185.6 (DCZ) - Railion 185.2 (KWG) = Raise panto only on DB/OBB but traction possible on DB/OBB and also SBB
    -DB 185.2 (RSN) - Railion 185.2 (MSB) = No Netz setting, raise panto and traction possible always
    -MRCE 185.5 (RRO) = Raises selected panto only on DB/OBB/SBB but traction possible only on DB/OBB (!!!)
    -MRCE 185.5 (DRA) = Raises selected panto only on DB/OBB/SBB and traction possible only on DB/OBB/SBB

    -----FR 25kV AC-----
    -RP 185.6 (DCZ) - Railion 185.2 (KWG) = Raise panto only on DB/OBB but traction possible on DB/OBB and also SBB (Like in CH !!!), never even raise the rest (not even SNCF), show HS EIN 15kV
    -DB 185.2 (RSN) - Railion 185.2 (MSB) = No Netz setting, raise panto but traction possible never (can't move in FR 25kV AC !!!), show HS EIN 15kV anyway
    -MRCE 185.5 (RRO) = Raises selected panto only on DB/OBB/SBB but traction possible never (can't move in FR 25kV AC !!!), never even raises the rest (not even SNCF), shows HS EIN 15kV with DB/OBB setting and panto up, HS AUS 15kV with SBB setting and panto up
    -MRCE 185.5 (DRA) = Raises selected panto only on DB/OBB/SBB and traction possible only on DB/OBB/SBB (Like in CH !!!), never even raises the rest (not even SNCF), shows HS EIN 15kV

    -----FR 1.5kV DC-----
    -RP 185.6 (DCZ) = Never raises panto, but on DB/OBB shows HS EIN 15kV and plays the starting up sounds, as well as clears the traction lock (with panto down!!!) still does not move though
    -Railion 185.2 (KWG) = Never raises panto, but on DB/OBB/SBB shows HS EIN 15kV and plays the starting up sounds, as well as clears the traction lock (with panto down!!!) still does not move though
    -DB 185.2 (RSN) - Railion 185.2 (MSB) = No Netz setting, raise panto but traction possible never, show HS EIN 15kV anyway
    -MRCE 185.5 (RRO) = Raises selected panto only on DB/OBB/SBB but traction possible never (can't move in FR 1.5kV DC !!!), never even raises the rest (not even SNCF), shows HS EIN 15kV with DB/OBB setting and panto up, HS AUS 15kV with SBB setting and panto up
    -MRCE 185.5 (DRA) = Raises selected panto only on DB/OBB/SBB, where it shows HS EIN 15kV and plays the starting up sounds, as well as clears the traction lock, still does not move though, never even raises the rest (not even SNCF) (can't move in FR 1.5kV DC !!!)

    Issues/inconsistencies:
    -RSN and MSB 185.2s have no Netz setting at all.
    -In all the locos with Netz setting, it only works in the primary (front) MFD. The setting in the left one is fake.
    -Don't know if this is so IRL, but the 185.5s have the DB logo, the other series the German flag+15kV DE as their netz icon.
    -The netz icon on the MFD home never changes from the german one no matter what.
    -DCZ 185.6 and KWG 185.2 let you switch from SBB to DB/OBB without traction lock, from DB/OBB to SBB instead gives you one that goes away by closing the MCB. They only raise the panto when set to DB/OBB, but can then usually work after switching to SBB and closing MCB.
    -RRO 185.5 never removes traction lock with SBB setting in CH. Never removes traction lock in FR.
    -RSN and MSB 185.2s never remove traction lock in FR.
    -DRA 185.5 lets you switch from DB/OBB to SBB setting without touching anything else and keeps traction, if you then press Close MCB it figures out it's on the wrong panto and enters traction lock.
    -The 185.5s need you to move either the throttle from 0% or the brakes from Running and then back to remove the traction lock after setting the system and closing MCB, the others not.
    -In France under 25kV you get readings of 15kV, and most of the time even HS EIN. And even then, only with DB/OBB/SBB settings. Half of the 185s work anyway, half cannot even move.
    -In France under 1.5kV DC you also get readings of 15kV AC, and most of the time even HS EIN. And even then, only with DB/OBB/SBB settings. None of the 185s can move.
     
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  3. TemporaryAl

    TemporaryAl Active Member

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    As an answer to your initial question, IN TSW3, the functionality where implemented (not on the earliest two 185s) definitely does something, with behaviours usually being three, one for the DB/OBB setting, one for the SBB setting, and a bunch of other completely useless ones.
    As for if the behaviours are modeled correctly, I'm no expert so *shrug*, but it seems like a massive mess to me.

    Don't worry, soon we will have a seventh 185 that will also be red and will be the only one that fixes a couple of these issues, or something like that.
     
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  4. Ferrovipathe67

    Ferrovipathe67 Well-Known Member

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    only the F140 MS can run in france simple because the AC2 don't have french security system
     
  5. Lamplight

    Lamplight Well-Known Member

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    It’s not only the MS, some F140 AC1 have French safety systems.
     
  6. daanloman#3930

    daanloman#3930 Well-Known Member

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    don't forget that they will all layer onto the route because to the game it's still a 185. so for doing random services or not the newest of the newest route. you will have a 1 in 7 chance to get the working 185 unless you uninstall all older routes.

    I think the 101 expert dlc doesn't really need those "fault simulations" they promised. we already have them ingame now. :D
     
  7. Ferrovipathe67

    Ferrovipathe67 Well-Known Member

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    it's true
     
  8. TemporaryAl

    TemporaryAl Active Member

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    All of that RE:safety systems may be true for all I know, which is very little, but wouldn't that become a problem only when trying to actually circulate? Like, wouldn't simply raising the pantograph at the very least report 25kV and provide power if you randomly found yourself spawned in a F140 AC2 in Avignon?
     

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