In real life, the 465 is my favourite EMU which I have been on many times, however, when seeing and driving it in TSW, I think it is extremely poor especially the sounds. There are some parts like the model which are fine. Sounds issues: AI 465's: Dynamic brakes (when the motors sound when braking), they should always be turned off like they would be in real life (I know 465919 has it's dynamic brakes on in real life but this route is set in 2018/19) One of the worst things about the 465 in game is how the motors are always sounding when coasting, this is very unrealistic as motors only sound when accelerating, or when dynamic brakes are turned on. I believe this also happens with the new electrostars which I also believe needs an overhaul, but that's for another thread. Overall sounds: The trains motors should be sounding before the train starts moving when beginning stationary. The motors change "note" too quickly, it should be much more smooth and slower. The running sounds should be much quieter and less of the low pitch sound, I know thats what they make in real life but they are certainly not constant and loud like they are in game. The flange squeal is quite badly looped, it would be better to use the sounds from the 158 and 323 for that. No fan noises, I cannot be 100% certain on this, however I believe there would be some sort of sound when the fans are turned on like most fans would and not complete silence. There is no rattles or anything in the interior which most 465's have, it would give it more character, even if it was something similar to the rattle of the electrostar, just a different sound in the coaches instead of the cab. The doors are rubbish in the way they work; They open ok although the sound is all muffled because of the xbox sound problems which affect all stock. The door closing sound repeats itself (the actual closing and slamming of the passenger doors, they also are completely out of sync. If you manually open a passenger door, then manually close it, then open them all up using the keyboard or controller, the door you manually opened or closed will open a little then stay closed. (its quite hard to explain but its certainly not right) The DSD and vigilance are both the same sound, it should be as to how they were in TSW 2 but for some reason they were changed. The front PIS font is different in real life, it should also display a via location underneath EG - Victoria via Bromley Sth Interestingly, you can put a 166 on SEHS in scenario planner and can look through all the destinations which were planned to be put in the game, there was one saying Southeastern.co.uk and The Kentish Crompton but there were also ones which had a place via another place so clearly had more time been put in to this DLC, these sorts of things may have been included, although it is not the worst problem. They are all the things I could find which were wrong with it, there are some extra things which I thought perhaps were incorrect such as the door close button always lit up although I am not a 465 train driver so I can't be sure this is a mistake. If everything above was to be sorted (which I doubt it will since DTG do not really listen to things like this) then it would be much more playable and way more realistic. Put it this way, I would pay over £20 to have all of this fixed properly because its what ruins the best DLC in the game mainly due to Joe's amazing timetable with all the variety as well as the length of the route. Feel free to reply if you disagree with any of the statements above or agree with what I have said, I will happily discuss this with anyone. Thanks for reading.
I've always considered the 465 to be one of the best units/locos in game after the BR diesels and the 323.
It drives nicely but thats about it, if you listen to both the real life 465/9 and the in game 465/9 the amount of differences is quite amazing. I would say that UK wise, its only better than the WSR 09 and 47, 313 and 314 as well as the ECW 377
Really? I would say that out of the EMUs the 323 is top, then the 465 after it. I don't think any of the 377s sound too great, definitely not better than these two.
You can drive without the regen brakes on. It's off by default which means you won't get dynamic braking and the deceleration sounds are different There also are a bit of rattles, but it's on the quiet side. Maybe we'll see an improved version at some point with a new route but there's no guarantees since it's good enough.
Having seen and travelled on many 465/9's myself I'd have to say it sounds almost completely accurate.
Ye, the problem is the AI have the regen brakes on constantly, so for example, train spotting at Dartford, you will constantly hear the 465's motors apart from when it is not moving. I haven't heard any rattles so they must be quiet as you said.
I consider the 465/9 to be the best train for its route, and also one of the best for the entire game. Don't have much real life experience but the sounds it makes are what makes it my favourite train to drive.
I always thought the 465 was one of the best trains in the sim, alongside the 323. I think personally the 465 should have its own route.
And a new fulfilling route for it. I like WCL but of all the routes released it really feels like half a route!
it sounds like a synthesiser has been used where as the TS 323 used real traction motor noises but as for miscellaeneous noises IE anything besides the traction motors its by far the best there is so much in it's sound set and I love the horn.
No offence mate but are you sure you aren't mixing up the TSW and TSC versions. The last time I travelled on a 323 was a few years ago now but the TSW 323 captures it excellently. Either this or you are just being needlessly negative and are just here to complain at things which don't need complaining about.
Yeah I think they need new sounds. To me they sound abit off. But other than that the whole train is alright! What I'm looking for is more Sub classes like the /1's /0's /2's 466's etc. Because then it wouldn't just be /9's.
Actually the 377 model isn't 100% accurate. It is bit too wide, its not a huge problem that needs to be fixed asap, but its just a little detail! Beside that she's pretty good indeed!
I agree with you there, it would also be nice to see some electrostar sub classes such as the 375/3's etc.
For those who don't agree with me, this is a video of a 465 (credit goes to Joe Burgees) which shows a 465 leaving Tonbridge Notice the motor noise before it begins moving. I don't know about anyone else but the real life 465/9's always give me goosebumps lol I don't get that feeling in TSW although I do fully understand how hard it can be to record really good quality sounds, I just feel the 465 should be at the class 323 standard This is the TSW version which shows a class 465 departing Gillingham (credit goes to Charlie Reynolds Gaming) You can clearly hear the door slamming twice in this clip with a clear difference in the motor sounds, as well as the motors making a noise when coasting at 15 mph.
Just so you know, the 465 sounds are bought from AP so it's the real recordings. Sound mixing and the actual audio engine as well as simugraph affects how it sounds.
Yes, but if you listen to the AP 465 on TSC, it still sounds quite bad, just without as many bugs, that's why I prefer DTG to do their own recordings as they generally sound better on TSW than AP sounds.
no the TSC version was better on acceleration and deceleration just needed a bit of extra TLC on the constant cutting out and the rest of the audio the TSW3 version isn't good in that one area everything else is amazing you can see the effort put in and I understand why DTG are reusing it completely
