A Database Of Outstanding Bugs

I have created a Google Docs spreadsheet to catalogue bugs in TSW. At present, no bugs are listed - please comment in this thread with any bugs you wish to be added. I hope that having a list of bugs is helpful for both the community and developers.

 

Save Game - Cannot reload objective data if you return to free roam after completing a run and take over a subsequent run. If you save and resume the objective data and Top LH HUD fail to load.

 

Solid Seat Bug
Pressing the 1 key/first person key twice in a row while sitting in a seat will make it solid and impassable

 

I've done that before and not had this (unless it's only applicable to certain trains).

 

Some trains don’t show up in the formation designer (1938 LU).

 

This is an interesting idea. finally a way to compare all DoSto's.
I think SH04 or SH05 is where it shows. but the bug is the Vossloh G6 pushing (not pulling) wagons with I think an sggmrss in the front past a dwarf signal or any signal gives you a service failure. in the DRA timetable editor project thread it shows the bug more detailed.

Do we want to also note scenery bugs, of course no "x could look better" but the recent thread about a tree branch in the track phasing through the cab on Hamburg - Lubeck or the catenary pole in the middle of one of the passenger train yard tracks you have to drive through at the shunt timetable at Hagen Hbf (RSN) are a few I remember. Missing catenary is also everywhere.

 

These are the bugs that I want fixed most:

M3 on LIRR 1.0: Safety systems completely broken
HMA: Red light issues on certain timetable services coming into Munchen
HMA: Issues with green signals having hot PZB magnets if next signal is yellow
Conductor mode on German routes broken : Train leaves with open doors as soon as you blow whistle
Multifunctional displays on consoles still don't work: once you select the MFD, you can't select any option on that MFD
Total number of timetableservices for complete game in menu says 00/00

 

This should be interesting.

I've never seen anybody write a phone book single-handed.

 

Let alone keep it current and updated

 

Haven't tried in TSW5 yet, but it was applicable to all trains - but only noticable when you needed to walk through the seat (e.g. 72 stock, Electrostar, Networker)

 

I thought mods caused that, but I do see that on some counts the system uses both the normal and reduced TT and for me the niddertalbahn one was completely borked. showing 2/0 and after opening the timetable it showed 14/13. haven't checked without the mods yet.

Maybe an idea to note that stuff like MAG is absolutely broken and won't be fixed ever unless it's redone from scratch

 

In my opinion, the weirdest bug are the "space invaders"-like objects (possibly tree parts or someting) hanging at eye level in front of a tunnel entrance on Kassel-Würzburg. Imagine thrashing along at 250 kph and then that, I don't know, thing shows up right in your face.

 

I'm on PS5, so no mods. But it's only for the total number of services for the complete game. You see it when you choose 'pick a train' in stead of 'pick a route'. See https://forums.dovetailgames.com/threads/total-number-of-services-0.86968/#post-928075

 

Live Map 2.0

In free roam, selecting to 'go via' and getting the unreachable location message and attempting to acknowledge or cancel the message freezes the live map on your screen without anyway to remove it unless restarting your entire application.

 

Would love for touch screens to work properly when using the 'view screen' feature.

 

Another one, if you open live map and your characters over a label (station, siding ect) it freezes and doesn’t let you move around until you turn off labels, although you can turn them back on after.

 

Need more details on these.

 

Can you elaborate, because I can't reproduce this.

 

The completion summary screen at the end of a run continues to show your XP against the wrong route and/or train.

 

Can you elaborate/give steps to reproduce?

 

Can't see how I can make it any plainer

Just do a run whether in Journey mode or not and more often than not at the end summary screen it will not show your AP as going to the actual route, particularly if using a layered train. For example earlier I finished the DMU scenario on WCML Shap, but the route AP was attributed to either TVL or NTP (can't remember which, but it wasn't WCMLoS). Fairly certain this has been recorded in the Troubleshooting Forum at some point.

 

The SPG Autorack is still not in formation designer and you can’t use custom liveries on the Horseshoe Curve box car in formation designer.

 

I believe it’s a console only glitch, but I’ve kinda explained it to the best I can. (You can’t move around live map if you happen to open it up into a label, and until you turn off labels it won’t unfreeze, although once you’ve moved around live map you can turn them back on)

also, relating to my other comment about the missing stock in the formation designer, this is a list of even more stuff missing (link to a forum post) https://forums.dovetailgames.com/th...olling-stock-loaded-freight-wagons-etc.84332/

 

I'd like to add the TSW5 bug of opening photo mode and it resets the weather. I am now driving on Hamburg - Lübeck with light clouds turning into some fog. it was really nice and I saw the big 218 loco move pass me and wanted to take a screenshot. Shift enter and my clouds and fog are gone... I thought this was fixed 3 patches ago or is that only for TOD4 and the rest is forgotten.

 

In the 7th November patch, fog was the exception being worked on.

Apparently, every other weather works. Apparently.

 

That silly barber's pole when you're loading passengers.
I don't know if you can call it a bug, but it's certainly bugging me.
It really has to go. And so does the person who thought it was a good idea. ( well maybe just an eye roll and a chat ).

 

Actually further to weather. Reloading a save game always resets the weather to clear skies and calm, regardless of what it was doing when you came off.

Also it can be raining cats and dogs, but if your train is sat in a station with overall roof it looks sunny and fine until you pull out from under the canopy.

And another, doors opening on portions of the train not at a platform when released in a station.

 

ah. I read over that then. it did remove the clouds too so I'd say add weather as a whole to it. snow worked fine though

 

I can't reproduce this behaviour, can you provide steps?

 

Not sure if this is really applicable, but the services on the GWE don’t give you time to set up or open doors, although with the remaster coming soon this should be fixed.

 

that's the case for all old routes. I think somewhere TSW3 or 4 that got changed to a 2 min setup time.

 

As below... This from a Journey Timetable run on ECML. As you can see the AP has gone to TVL:

 

Thanks, can you give the steps to reproduce the issue with rain and loaded saves?

 

OK, I have to ask. What on earth caused the AP to go to Tees Valley, when the 801 and ECML aren't at all associated with the route?

 

DTG to the microphone, please…

 

There are no passengers whatsoever at Aachen Hbf on SKA.

The Dispolok BR 182 tutorial is broken (nothing happens after the introductory phrase)

The signal right next to the roadbridge just before the yard at the Aschaffenburg Docks on the Maintalbahn sometimes insists it's red (and makes you fail the (shunting) service) even if it's actually green

 

The BNSF ES44C4 exterior blinds don’t work.

 

What a monumental waste of time: people enter bugs on this thread and then they get transcribed into a spreadsheet. Meanwhile, the developers already track this stuff on Jira, so why not just report them in the appropriate place to get them on there? I get it, you want a stick to beat DTG with, but that's what these forums are for.

 

• CTC cab car (MBTA)- ACS/ACSES box does not update graphically (workaround is to change cameras and come back, but that's hugely inconvenient and can often cause penalty braking)
• FF scenario "Pull!" - brake key in cab car is left "on" meaning you have no brakes in the loco. 114 brakes generally are screwed up
• Clinchfield - no working "banking comms"
• SD70 (Cajon) - cannot control AC44s via DP
• Class 150 (WCL)- cannot recover from a brake demand, period
• MBTA services originating in Stoughton - randomly auto-derail on start

 

Cajon Pass SD40-2.
Whenever I spawn this into a route via timetable mode, as soon as I set a route for it, the reverser handle is removed and the whole unit is inoperable.
Happened on Clinchfield and San Bernadino. Also tried it on NTP for a laugh, same issue.

If I don't set a route it works perfectly, but obviously blocked by red lights.

X Box Series S if that helps....

 

On the contrary, I think it's a great idea. Do we trust that all the known and reported bugs find their way on to Jira? And even if they do, they seem to be buried and mostly forgotten in a leaky old filing cabinet in a Chatham basement that no-one has the key to, judging by the fix rate.

An independent list will help keep the developer's feet to the fire and make sure that even the most ancient bugs, like the ones on CRR, won't be forgotten

 

Fair enough. I suppose another leaky filing cabinet can’t do any harm. Good luck maintaining it.

 

Thanks for the bugs, keep them coming.

I do want to ask for clarification on some points:

From memory this actually got fixed at some point?

Is there a specific service this always happens to, or is it random?

Does this apply to both the Boston Sprinter and MBTA Commuter routes, or just one?

Can the brake key be turned off?

Which loco are you referring to as the "AC44"?

Does this apply to both AWS and TPWS brake demands?

Are there specific services this always happens to, or is it random?

Yes, this is my intent. Remember all the times we had to confirm to the devs that yes, AI steam locomotives weren't making sound? And that never got fixed.

 

FTF

-DB Br 114 Windscreen Wipers are Broken.

- ICE-T Power and Braking force is questionable. Mostly you are not able to stop this Train from 160km/h within 1000m. Acceleration seems too weak aswell.

- Passenger leaving Train trough closed doors onto running tracks.
-"Suicidal" NPC on several platforms
- NPC Randomly spawning on tracks (not near a Station)
- Still open holes in Area all over the Route.
- Severly FPS drops at Frankfurt Area
- Noticable Performance Drop at around Hanau Hbf.
- Still Game crashes often at Offenbach
- Still UNABLE to play Expert Time Table in the Evening due to an immediate Spad caused by one of the 363 Services

- General
Rolling Sound badly looped on several German locos like 218, 110, 103, ICE-T (most Noticable at 25-40kmh)

-Talbot wagons cannot be used with InterCity Wagons (Avmmz, bpmmz) from HRR (Brakes stuck and wont release)

- Outstanding LOD issues.

- Photo Mode STILL resets weather to clear dry.

- WCML South
- Severe FPS Drops when Train with CC Livery appears.
- Badly sound loop of Traction Motors of the 390 between 25 and 37 mph

- thats from my last ~ 3-4h of Gameplay....
Great Record DTG. Really appreciate your effort to not fix anything.

 

I know it’s not a bug, but if tutorials could explain how to set up AWS.

 

When you enter a tunnel in the class 87 on the WCMLPtC at night, the front cab windows to flash as if they were fully illuminated.

When it’s snowing on Peak Forrest, the windows on the Locomotive show the snow on them as double layered and slightly offset. It usually after going into 3rd person, reloading the session, going into a tunnel or opening the window and closing it.

 

Not sure if they count or should be here. but nearly all stop markers for the platforms on shorter trains are wrong and at the end of the platform instead of where they should be. No clue how those are added though so might need to put that for the route or a train specifically

 

Off the top of my head, I can think of some...

DLC: Niddertalbahn
Type: Passengers
Severity: Medium
Description: On basically every station along the route, passengers exiting the train will remain standing in place on the platform after exiting, not moving away. This makes it difficult for new passengers to enter the train, causing delays. Perhaps a pathing issue.

DLC: Maintalbahn
Type: Passengers
Severity: Medium
Description: Several immersion-breaking passenger bugs
1. Platforms along the route are bustling with people at all times. Should be tuned down in the morning and evening hours, like on many other routes.
2. On some stations, no passengers enter the train, despite the platform being crowded (see 1.). A good example is Aschaffenburg Hochschule (no one leaving or entering the train ever).
3. Passengers tend to stay on the train, even if it terminates. When you finish a service at Aschaffenburg or Miltenberg, and continue to shunt the train to the yard or refueling, you'll definitely take some passengers along (which is a big no-no IRL). When you start a service by bringing a train from the yard to the station, it will already be filled with passengers as well. Creepy.

DLC: Maintalbahn
Type: Ambience
Severity: Low
Description: Road Traffic is very US-looking. Especially the big silver box van (Chevrolet?) sticks out like a sore thumb. A minor thing, but noticeable.

DLC: Maintalbahn
Type: Ambience
Severity: Low
Description: Most level crossings all across the route have been left very rudimentary, with ballast overlapping the road, rubber mats not properly aligned to the tracks... a testament to the rushed release I guess.

DLC: Maintalbahn
Type: Gameplay
Severity: High
Description: Service EZK 54874 starting at 14:47 in Aschaffenburg Hafen with BR 363 is broken. You have to shunt back in front of the entrance signal a couple of times, but the second time you do it, the service fails when moving back in, passing the (open) signal.

DLC: Maintalbahn
Type: Loco
Severity: High
Description: The BR 642 still accelerates very sluggish, too sluggish in my opinion. It's basically impossible to stay on time with it. Heck, it's easier to stay on time with the 628, which is known for its sightseeing-friendly acceleration pace in Germany.
This issue is also present on any other routes which use the 642, like Bremen - Oldenburg. Speaking of which...

DLC: Bremen - Oldenburg
Type: Gameplay
Severity: High
Description: A couple of the BR 110 shunting services at Oldenburg can't be completed, because they lead you outside of the map boundaries.

DLC: Linke Rheinstrecke
Type: Ambience
Severity: Low
Description: At the eastern end of Heidesheim station (towards Mainz), a length of catenary is missing. Doesn't affect the electric locos (very good batteries!) but is noticeable when you stop at Heidesheim and gaze around.

DLC: Linke Rheinstrecke
Type: Infrastructure
Severity: Medium
Description: Also east of Heidesheim, the "Vorsignal" (don't know the English term) of the Entrance signal is missing. The repeater is there, but the actual signal isn't. Gives you quite the adrenaline kick if you approach with 160 km/h and the repeater shows "Stop"...

DLC: Linke Rheinstrecke
Type: Infrastructure
Severity: Low
Description: Along the whole route, a bunch of signs warning of an impending speed change are missing.

DLC: Salzburg - Rosenheim
Type: Infrastructure
Severity: Low
Description: The signs along the route aren't as reflective/visible in darkness as on other routes. Makes spotting speed changes pretty hard.

DLC: Salzburg - Rosenheim and BR 111 Gameplay Pack
Type: Gameplay
Severity: Low
Description: On both iterations of the BR 111, the wheel slip indicator and dynamic brake force indicator don't work as they should. This has been illustrated very well by BRD in the BR 111 feedback thread, page 1, post #26 already.

DLC: Frankfurt - Fulda
Type: Passengers
Severity: Low (depending on the point of view)
Description: In some places, especially east of Offenbach and around Hanau, pedestrians can be "encountered" right on the tracks. I'm all for realism and stuff, but this definitely goes too far...

DLC: Frankfurt - Fulda
Type: Gameplay
Severity: Medium
Description: Some of the stop markers are very petty, even pettier than usual, and will only be satisfied if you stop less than 2 m away from them. Can be encountered frequently at the ends of the route, especially Frankfurt.


Let's leave it at that for now... I'll be back

 

Don't have MBTA Commuter, but since it uses the same cab car model I venture it has the problem as well

Yes, but it takes a schedule-wrecking amount of time to do it. Script failure: the AI driver should be turning it off before he despawns

ES44C4 BNSF, sorry

In this case DVD (alerter), but the problem is a little different than I first thought. The problem lies in the fact that, after a cab change, if you neglected to isolate saftey systems in the first cab, pulling the cab changeover lever in the new cab does not deactivate them like it's supposed to. This was causing my problem, since 60 seconds after starting off the rear-cab DVD would go off without my hearing it, nor could I acknowledge it to reset the system

Random on any MBTA originating in Stoughton. Problem occassioned apparently by brake lines clipping into scenery, just marginal enough that spawn position altered by a few pixels will do it.

 

Thanks for the bugs, keep them coming! As usual I'm afraid I have to ask for elaboration on some points.

Can you elaborate on how they're broken?

I want to avoid vehicle performance-related issues unless there's technical documents etc. showing them to be clearly and objectively wrong - it's just too subjective otherwise.

Can you give some specific locations?

Can you give a more precise timeframe and name the 363 service in question?

Can you give the in-game names for the "Talbot wagons" and "InterCity Wagons from HRR"?

Can you elaborate on what you mean by this?

Can you give instructions to reproduce this?

Videos of these would be helpful.

Well, I'll just put it down on the sheet as a Boston Sprinter issue until I get confirmation it's an issue with both routes.

Well, you could get it done quite quickly with the change cabs hotkey...

Do you have a video of this?

Can you name these services?

A "Vorsignal" would be a distant signal I believe, but I encourage the use of untranslated terms for signalling to avoid confusion. Can you give a precise location (i.e. a screenshot of the map)?

Can you give some specific locations?

I'm not sure this is a bug per se as I believe how much accuracy stop markers require can be changed in the editor.