A Plea For More Urban Networks (s-bahn) And Fewer Long Distance Routes

Discussion in 'Suggestions' started by Jon from Rhode Island, Jan 25, 2025.

  1. Jon from Rhode Island

    Jon from Rhode Island Well-Known Member

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    I want routes centered on high trafficked city cores, with lots of complex signaling, speed changes, and tight platforms, and most importantly, lots of branch lines for timetable variety. The A to B intercity runs are wearing thin for me after 5 years of enjoying the game.

    Berlin would be a particularly awesome home base for this sort of project:

     
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  2. Jakobix

    Jakobix New Member

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    I think frankfurt would be great also
     
  3. OldVern

    OldVern Well-Known Member

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    Yes Berlin S-Bahn or a U-Bahn such as Frankfurt or Hamburg should be on top of the future route whiteboard at DTG Towers. Berlin in particular, the Ringbahn and “Heart” routes in TSC are great and would shift comfortably across to TSW with an all day timetable. Both the UK and US regions in TSW have several routes in and around London or New York but one of the great capital cities of the world - Berlin - is totally neglected.
     
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  4. Steuerwagen

    Steuerwagen Well-Known Member

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    Idea:
    ~ 80km (99km if you include the full S3 line [which continues east beyond the cutoff line])
    ~ 46 Stations (56 if you include the full S3 line)
    ~ Only 1 new train needed: DBAG 481/482
    Full: S41 & S42. Part: S3, S45, S46, S47, S5, S7, S75, S8, S85, S9.
    With a bunch of short and fun runs on IC & ICE (~25min), RE (~30min) etc... And also some depot runs east of Ostkreuz
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  5. TurinCaselle

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    I'm a fan of the Stuttgart S-Bahn, and I'd like to see at most 100 km of it, complete with the BR 430 and BR 423
     
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  6. toms87

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    The Berlin "Stadtbahn" has not been in any game yet or am I wrong? The creator of the Berlin S-Bahn DLC in TSC said he would attempt it at some point as his final project. It´s a massive job of asset creation... the Stadtbahn has so many unique landmark buildings left and right of the viaduct. I don´t think DTG will ever do this.... In the Frankfurt-Fulda preview many asked in the chat and someone from DTG said it would be too hard to do.
     
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  7. OldVern

    OldVern Well-Known Member

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    A shame if true. Saying something is “too hard” not a positive message for a professional software developer to be sending its customers when enquiring about potential routes. More likely, as I’ve surmised before, they have laid off most of their in house artistic and route building personnel so have to rely on the few that are left spread too thin, or outsourcing to second and third parties. If essentially a small or even one person team can create Heart Of Berlin and Ringbahn, there is no excuse for DTG to cry off such a project. About the only obstacle in the way might be security concerns from the operator, but that didn’t stop the TSC versions from appearing or the Frankfurt and Hamburg U-Bahns.

    The cliche about low hanging fruit comes to mind…
     
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  8. Crosstie

    Crosstie Well-Known Member

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    I have to disagree with the thrust of this thread. The last thing I want to see are more electric bus stop routes, whether above ground or below it.

    I would not be averse to a slam-door route out of London, set in the BR era but, since that possibility is remote, we need more provincial routes like the ones JT is currently making.

    Although we over here in North America are being slowly starved to death, I really don't want to see any more urban/ suburban commuter routes. DTG needs to get back to building long form freight routes, although I fear the company is no longer equipped to do that.
     
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  9. toms87

    toms87 Well-Known Member

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    Well, the creator of those routes has not put his hands on Stadtbahn because it´s ten times worse than any other route in Berlin (or Germany). You would have to create hundreds of buildings for it be authentic and at least 50 for it to be half believable. Not even mentioning all the outdoor restaurants, beer gardens, busy urban scenes with trams and busses passing underneath the Stadtbahn etc. It is a big one ... I´ll give DTG that.
    I think this is the same reason that no one has ever created "rechte Rheinstrecke" in TSC or TSW etc...
     
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  10. driverwoods#1787

    driverwoods#1787 Well-Known Member

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    From what I can see if they were to add S-Bahn Hamburg you will end up playing it as a US/UK Third Rail route but keep this in mind you need to know Punktförmige Zugbeeinflussung limits
     
  11. noir

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    Berlin S9 exists for TSC in basically finished state, I just don't think it was ever released to public.

     
  12. operator#7940

    operator#7940 Well-Known Member

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    It's interesting that you're asking for the entire opposite of the "longer rural routes" part of the community.
    This is why people on all sides are always saying DTG "caters to the other people."
    Because you can't please everybody =-)

    Berlin would be a huge project to be fair. I would like to see a "network" as opposed to just one "line" with no variety. (Teesdale as in TSC vs the Tees Valley in TSW for example in the same rough area)

    Another German route wouldn't get my attention, but Cardiff might being more or less a network.

    Perhaps after Cardiff comes out and that's a network (more or less) we'll see more "network" routes if that sells well. That seems to be how DTG makes decisions on what to sell next, so good sales would be encouraging for more network routes.
     
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    toms87 Well-Known Member

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    Take a look at the video... it´s track, signals and some old assets and 2D trees plonked next to the the line. In that type of style you can build any line in TSC in short time. Especially someone who prefers TSW because of better optics should see this within seconds. People would want to see a iconic line like this represented with 3D vegetation, custom assets and all that good stuff.
    Furthermore this freeware route was denied release by the creator of the Berlin assets and secondly he (Bahnjahn) is working on the S9 (Treptower Park to Airport) himself as an extension to Ringbahn Berlin. It´s duo for release in 2025.
     
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  14. vuurkip#5765

    vuurkip#5765 Well-Known Member

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    I second this opinion, we don't really have an s-bahn focused route with a few branches. Closest is vorarlberg but it's also very linear with a small branch (all tho most of the network is on it which is amazing). A nice fully s-bahn focused route with a few of the lines represented would be perfect. Berlin would be my number 1 pick even if it's a huge undertaking
     
  15. Jon from Rhode Island

    Jon from Rhode Island Well-Known Member

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    Popping in to say that the Frankfurt S-Bahn is all it’s cracked up to be. More of this please!
     
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