Antwerp - Brussels

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  1. 9LivesCat

    9LivesCat New Member

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    As the country with the oldest railroad network besides England and one of the most dense railroads in the world. i think Belgium definitely deserves a Train Sim World route.

    There are a lot of suitable roads that Belgium has to offer. If i could choose i would suggest the Antwerp to Brussels route. The route with it's 40km in length is a very bussy commuting route with hundreds of trains per day. It also includes Brussels-Mechelen which is the first train route in the world outside of England. The most notable landmark would be Antwerp central station which is arguably the prettiest train station in the world.

    The railroad operator in belgium (NBMS) has a variety of rolling stock including double decker which are very common on this route.

    On this route there are also internation services including the Eurostar, Thalys and NS (netherlands) local trains.
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  2. OnlyMe1909

    OnlyMe1909 Well-Known Member

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    Antwerpen-Centraal realy deserves to be put in the game at some point as it is one of the most beautifull stations in the world.

    Antwerp-Brussels would be nice start for a Belgian route. But I fear well never get it. I don't think Belgium has a lot of TSW players, so interest in Belgian routes will always be on the low side because of that.
    But with the already existing German routes close to the Belgian border, maybe at some point DTG can do a Belgian route that runs into Aachen or maybe Wuppertal
     
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  3. stijn.claessens

    stijn.claessens Active Member

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    There is also freight traffic on this line coming from Antwerp and going to Muizen near Mechelen. Basicilly it is two lines into one. L25 and L27 that run parallel.
     
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  4. antwerpcentral

    antwerpcentral Well-Known Member

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    I would have hoped this line woud have been already in the game. It's a game about trains and Antwerpen - Centraal is not in it? How did that happen?

    Ok I might be biased as I live in Antwerp :love:
     
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    Purno Well-Known Member

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    Looks like an interesting route. :)
     
  6. driverwoods#1787

    driverwoods#1787 Well-Known Member

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    Interesting route but 25N is unique since it has 25kv 50hz like the Liège to Luxembourg railway unlike 3kv DC Lines 25 & 27.
     
  7. KoeleKoen

    KoeleKoen Well-Known Member

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    25N is 3kv not 25kv
     
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  8. KoeleKoen

    KoeleKoen Well-Known Member

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    Also on a sidenote, antwerp brussels isn't that interesting as a route besides the dense traffic, they 'd have to build multiple new stock to not make it feel off by only have 1 type of train where there's so many different ones, adding to that they'd have to pick only etcs stock since depending on stock it's a different safety system. If you have etcs, you' d drive etcs lvl 1 from antwerp to mechelen and then tbl1++, but if you'd drive older stock it's tbl1++ the whole way, i don't think they have the tech to simulate 2 different safety systems on the same stretch of track (antwerp-mechelenl
     
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  9. driverwoods#1787

    driverwoods#1787 Well-Known Member

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    Thanks for telling me about this. Since I'm thinking it's like L162 L167 which were electrified in 2000-2002 at 25kv 50hz.
     
  10. KoeleKoen

    KoeleKoen Well-Known Member

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    No problem, there's a few high speed lines with 25kv:L1,2,3,4
     
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  11. antwerpcentral

    antwerpcentral Well-Known Member

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    - True but it would make al lot of DLC to buy. ICE can be used in Brussels. LGV can also be used as it goes to Amsterdam via Antwerp
     
  12. KoeleKoen

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    yeah for sure! i just don't see them putting in the effort for that much stock in an unexplored country,also the ICE would have to be an AI service and the LGV would need new passenger coaches,they could also add the Benelux with 2 BR186's but at this stage i don't see them exploring any country they never done before with current travel restrictions.
     
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  13. antwerpcentral

    antwerpcentral Well-Known Member

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    How many different train models go over that route? I indeed must take in account that this is a simulator for people who know every detail about trains. I thought put the LGV in it with another livery would be an easy fix but I already watched some video's of people complaining the sound of the wind on a route is different in real life than in-game :)
     
  14. driverwoods#1787

    driverwoods#1787 Well-Known Member

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    You mean SNCB Class 28/29 Bombardier those can also be seen in this route.
     
  15. KoeleKoen

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    Yeah, i referred to model number, they'd be a nice add
     
  16. KoeleKoen

    KoeleKoen Well-Known Member

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    List of stock that's on that route:
    Mr80
    Mr86
    Mr75
    Mr08
    Hvr m6
    Hvr m5
    Hvr m4
    Hle27/21
    And then a bunch of freight locos from lineas, db,..
    Hle18
    Tgv
    Eurostar
    Traxx 186
     
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  17. tibomatthijs

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    isn't it from Lineas HLE13, and there is a huge amount of trains that run there indeed!
     
  18. driverwoods#1787

    driverwoods#1787 Well-Known Member

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    DB Freight locomotives if added here those can layer to all West Germany routes SKA RRO RSN HMA HRR East Germany Riesa-Dresden together with SNCB/NMBS 28/29 Traxx E186. There was a video of those locomotives on Main Spessart Bahn Bahnhof Laufach with HLE 2830 running Passau Gemünden Heigenbrücken Aschaffenburg Koblenz Antwerp service
     
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  19. KoeleKoen

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    Correct and hld77 appears as well i forgot, and lineas also has some traxxes running there as well
     
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  20. tibomatthijs

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    HLR77 indeed as freight/shunting there but there are a lot of Traxx'es there too
     
  21. tibomatthijs

    tibomatthijs Active Member

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    btw, that isn't a SNCB one, SNCB ones has the big black 28XX at the front upload_2021-9-21_16-51-23.png
    thats just an Railpool one iirc
     
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  22. driverwoods#1787

    driverwoods#1787 Well-Known Member

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    Thank you for telling me about it but I'm wondering what is their numbers? That might include 2830 which was pulling the Passau Gemünden Heigenbrücken Laufach Aschaffenburg Koblenz Antwerp freight service.
     
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  23. tibomatthijs

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    if there was like in that photo 28XX(30) then it was an sncb one
     
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    That's correct it was SNCB 2830 on Main Spessart Bahn Heigenbrücken Laufach on a Passau Nuremburg Gemünden Heigenbrücken Aschaffenburg Koblenz Antwerp service. If DTG does make Antwerp to Brussels then it might affect some of the German routes in game like the AI SNCB HLE18 Brussels Midi Aachen appearing on the west side of Aachen Hbf on SKA waiting a DB BR101 for a long-distance train pulled into Aachen. SNCB HLE28/29 Bombardier Traxx on Rhein-Ruhr Osten and Main Spessart Bahn for Antwerp freight service. Back to the route questions speaking of the signaling system TBL Memor II Infrabel does it require Acknowledge signal or not? Otherwise players familiar with German routes will treat TBL Memor II like PZB
     
  25. antwerpcentral

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    There would be more TSW players in Belgium if there was a Belgian route. When I bought this game I was thinking if I like it I will buy the TGV DLC because I know those trains. I expected to be driving mainly with the TGV until I noticed this is a very fun game and German trains resemble Belgian trains.

    They should do a Europe tour, have a route in every country and make them connect. The amount of users in every country will grow and the countries that are already have a big fanbase will like it to travel Europe.
     
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  26. driverwoods#1787

    driverwoods#1787 Well-Known Member

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    Absolutely correct however Brussels Antwerp connects to Antwerp Rotterdam Amsterdam HSL 4 HSL Zuid. Then at Rotterdam the Antwerp Rotterdam Amsterdam line connects to Rotterdam Utrecht Arnhem Railway which then becomes the Duisburg Oberhausen-Arnhem Railway at Arnhem.
     
  27. KoeleKoen

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    18 doesn't go to Aachen and yeah you have to acknowledge.
     
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  28. driverwoods#1787

    driverwoods#1787 Well-Known Member

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    Good point but
    HLE 18 Siemens does go to Aachen as the Brussels to Aachen Nightjet locomotive. Also at Aachen HLE18 is replaced by an ES64U2 locomotive ÖBB1116 in game version DB BR182 MRCE 182 Hamburg-Lübeck. This video shows SNCB HLE18 Siemens being swapped for a Taurus locomotive 182 1116 around 19:40 Aachen Hbf.
    More SNCB HLE18 Siemens action at Aachen .
     
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  29. OnlyMe1909

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    Love how this thread has gained interest in the last couple of weeks. Hopefully DTG notices and sees that there is iindeed interest in a Belgian route :)

    KoeleKoen if Antwerp-Brussels is not interesting enough as a route, which Belgian route would you suggest then? I think you of all people here know our rail network the best.
     
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    Ah i thought you meant as a regular train, i forgot the night jet, haven't seen it in ages due to corona
     
  31. KoeleKoen

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    I'd maybe go for something in Wallonië, more hills, more green, maybe add in Luik, big gradient and gorgeous station as well and close to Germany.
     
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    That's what I meant in the comment the nightjet Brussels Midi-Liege-Aachen SNCB HLE 18. Some of the clips there are taken during covid 19. SNCB HLE18 AI traffic layered from Brussels Nord Antwerp CS on SKA west end comes in at 08:13 Aachen Hbf to take over the Nightjet which was the 07:30 Trip from Koln Hbf that was fellow member FD1003. Evening the 19:40 Aachen to Koln Hbf Trip. NMBS 28/29 Traxx freight for Brussels Antwerp and also SKA by branching off Aachen Hbf towards the Montzen Route L24 Aachen Tongren. Not sure if HLD 77 operates on Antwerp Brussels and Liege Aachen 1966 electrification.
     
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    HLD77 can be seen on L27 and then it mostly goes by L28 to reach Vorst.
     
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    Kortrijk - Brussels? Why? There is no Antwerp - Brussels yet. Wait your turn. Antwerp is more important ;)

    For those not living in Belgium: it's a cultural iniside joke
     
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    Eurostar ;)
     
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    Are they busy routes? I seem to lean towards to urban routes. If they didn't had named the summer DLC 'Rush Hour" I would probably never have picked this game up. I don't like route too much that it is only trees or open land from station to station.
     
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    Charleroi is quite busy and so is liege,it's overall dense traffic, there are a few rarely used lines but overall there's plenty of traffic, 25/27 is real busy but not that wow to drive on plus too much varrying stock so it'd feel off with only 2 types of trains.
     
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    Any route is appreciated, as long it is not "more of the same". Just my personal impression when i look at the roadmap. Another "picturesque" route, another Underground-, BR377-, BR314-, BR185-"lookalikes"... But yes, like the idea of a Belgium route.
     
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  40. antwerpcentral

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    Any update on this route? I know this is going to be difficult to pull off but TSW2 players deserve only the best.
     
  41. KoeleKoen

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    There's nothing planned for belgium at this point, and i don't think they'll ever will
     
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    That's impossible. This route must be the next to be added to the roadmap item. :D
     
  43. driverwoods#1787

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    BR185 lookalike in Belgium is the SNCB Class 28/29 Bombardier. Manufacturer calls those BR186.
     
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    It won't, i don't see them implementing a country that's never been done before, best bet for a new country is austria, belgium won't be added, new stock, new safety system would take too much time at this moment
     

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