Anyone Have Thoughts For What The New Uk Route Could Be That Could Be Coming Out Around Jan-feb 2024

Just curious to hear about anyone elses thoughts on what it could be. I hope it will be my local route (hull-scarborough/hull-york)

 

As far as I know, we have little to no idea.

The only thing I do know, is that a 156 is in development.
Whether that is for the new route, or what, I couldn't say.

 

I also have seen that along with a 321/322 in development. For this reason I think it could be Scottish, or East Anglian.

 

where did you find out that a 156 and 321/322 was in development?

 

i pray for GEML

 

I'm hoping East Anglia.

 

I don't know about Bravo2six but I were shown screenshots of developmental models of both classes, with the 156 PIS reading 'It's happening'.

Me too mate, not that I dislike Scotland but I think East Anglia needs to be represented as the scenery there is astonishing, but in a totally different way to almost anywhere else in Britain.

 

The 156 also used to be used with Greater anglia so I would be leaning to GEML because the 156s used to run on :

• Bittern Line - Norwich to Sheringham via Cromer
• Wherry Lines - Norwich to Great Yarmouth/Lowestoft
• East Suffolk Line - Ipswich to Lowestoft/Felixstowe
• Sudbury Branch Line - Marks Tey to Sudbury

So if theres a 321/322 in the works as well, it could be a route from London Liverpool St to Ipswich. or becuase of what DTG said about ECML and not going to london because " there were too many stations between Kings Cross and Petebrough.

 

Actually it could be Leeds and surrounding areas as there used to 321s/322s up there. I honestly can tell the difference between the two so are there any differences which actually decipher them?

 

322's worked Leeds to Skipton so possibly that with 156's on the services to Carlisle?
But East Anglia would seem to be favourite although a route combination with a 156 and 321/322 would be odd as there wouldn't be much overlap.

 

Hmm. I don't know England that well, but my understanding is that East Anglia is as flat as a flapjack.

 

Yes, but that is what makes it so beautiful and different to the rest of England. I saw the best sunrise of my life from a field in East Anglia, even if that weren't the aim initially!
Also a beautiful coast, nearly as good as ours in Lincolnshire.

 

A flapjack is something different in the UK and isn’t flat, more chunky and brick-like.

 

After looking it up 322s were 321s but built for airport service so the difference was a different interior.

 

So nothing severely different on the exterior then, I would guess.

 

I don’t think so but I am abselutly no expert

 

To be fair, Tees Valley and Blackpool Branches are both "flat", but are still great routes. The Wherry lines for instance, whilst mostly flat, is quite scenic with the various windmills and swing bridges situated within the Norfolk Broads. Such network would make for an interesting route, especially if backdated with the Summer Saturday excursion traffic.

 

That makes two of us then!

 

I just hope that for £30 it is a quality item. Briefly fired up ECML last night after finishing a run on Clinchfield. The Azuma really is just about the most boring train they could have picked. Even with the sound mod installed just way too quiet. Might be realistic, but it sure ain’t entertaining. I stuck it for maybe 5 or 6 minutes then came off and found myself a Pendolino run in SimRail instead. That sounds and feels like you are commanding a 200 km/h electric unit. ECML cause not helped by the ongoing occurrence of the spurious double yellow signal aspects, another flagship new route with bugs aplenty not getting sorted out.

So for £30, DTG are going to need to compete hard for my money, with Railroader, Hmmsim and the Soviet city building game all vying for my Christmas cash.

 

The rumours about the 156’s and 321/322’s, are we sure they’re destined for the same route/dlc?

 

I wouldn't get your hopes up as Abellio are not easy to deal with when it comes to licensing

 

I didn't say what era

Esit: do Abellio have the rights to older liveries?

 

If rivet does the west highland line, I would genuinely have a heart attack

 

I would be shocked and dismayed as...
1. It would be Rivet quality and no other developer is going to touch it once the route exists in game.
2. Would almost certainly be post loco hauled day time services epoch. While the 156 is quite a noisy machine, I have no faith in Rivet to get the sounds or physics correct and nowhere near as interesting as taking a Class 27 or Class 37 over the route.
3. Based on their announced extent for Bernina, it's likely to be Mallaig to Locheilside if the Extension or Bridge Of Orchy to Spean Bridge for the southern section.

 

I wasn't, but I know a number of people who are pretty reliable have, so I take it as highly likely confirmed

 

The yellows aren't a bug, they protect level crossings whose barriers haven't lowered yet.

 

The Bug is that the Barriers should be lowering earlier in the Sim.
So that the train driver does not see the yellow signals.
Mike.

 

My experience on Peterborough - Doncaster is that you see the double yellow, but it clears to green before you reach the AWS. This is very much in line with reality. To minimise level crossing down time the crossing is lowered at what is judged to be the last possible second it can be without you having to make a brake application. The set up is better at some locations than others, and there are certain locations where it’s wise to ease off a little and drop speed below line speed to give sufficient time for the signal to clear before you have to apply the brakes.

Getting those realistic glimpses of double yellows is something I like about the Peterborough - Doncaster route.

 

From a Driver perspective there are a handful of isolating cocks and whatnot that are in different positions, but otherwise they’re the same. Converting from one to the other consisted of being solemnly handed a bit of paper detailing the variations, and being told to get on with it!

In fairness, 322s really should be considered a 321 sub-class, not a different class of unit. There are certainly sub-classes within other unit classes with more significant differences.

 

the great eastern mainline is very interesting, maybe not in scenery... but in its services. there are tfl services that we could get in a class 345 (or 315 if backdated). of course the class 321 with greater Anglia (with possibility of other trains added such as a 720, 345, 355, or DMU's like the class 156, 153). and then you have freight services from felixstowe, which also sometimes run as class 90's (so we could end up with a new freight locomotive finally). and thats just what you would see running in 2010+. BR blue era I imagine would be even better.
its frequent, has lots of variety, and could bring some very requested stuff to tsw

 

In reality, especially on the five aspect section, you rarely see a glimpse of double yellow and when you do it is most likely because you have something in front of you. In game I also find the signal only clears once I am over the AWS at most locations.

That is a strange one then!

 

I don't know if they are or aren't for the same route, but these screenshots showed them both at similar stages of development so I think that is sort of the assumption, on my end anyway.

Edit: The 321/322 seems to actually have been more developed than the 156.

 

heres what i could find on the epic data thing and it really seems like theres 2 or 3 routes left. But if u want to take a look ur selves then heres the link, https://epicdatainfo.vercel.app/offers?category=applications&sortBy=5&seller=Dovetail Games

 

Well if they are in the making of a 156, then let's hope they use the armstrong powerhouse sounds for it, if not then just make it as accurate as possible. I don't think any of us want that horrible 150/2 sound that they used for west cornwall local

 

Yes I know but as pointed out the timing is off. Generally speaking front line Class 1 Inter City services should not be getting an unnecessary signal check. Back in BR days, it was not unknown for certain Signalling Managers to issue "Form 1's" (disciplinary charge) to signallers who gave adverse signals to Western Region internal HST services, without good reason.

 

Thanks, Matt - good to hear from someone with experience on this route. You ‘top link’ guys obviously get a better run!

Apparently it all comes down to the location of the ‘strike in’ point. On some of our routes the strike in points were located based on the acceleration and speed of much older stock and have never been moved. As a result if you don’t ease off approaching level crossings, you’re past the double yellow before it comes off, and you then have to kill the speed before the next signal - which is inevitably green. Very annoying…

 

Mind you, some of those early HST schedules on the Western region were brutal - quicker than the 800s are timed today, despite the 800s having much quicker acceleration. One unnecessary signal check and you’d be late at destination.

In fairness I think the timings today are more dictated by the ability to identify a path between other trains than the capabilities of the train, the mainlines being so congested these days.

 

Haha, yes!
That would make sense then, especially if your new stock is significantly quicker, though I am surprised it hasn't been adjusted, but it is probably a case of easier said than done, as with most things! Does sound frustrating though.

 

Interesting that a 156 is allegedly in development. Depending on how it turns out it could be my favourite train in TSW or my least favourite. Just keep it out of Rivet's hands...

Do Greater Anglia even have 156s anymore? I know they sent a few to EMR a few years ago but I don't know if that was their entire fleet. If they don't then if it is somewhere in Anglia it would have to be what I'd call a faux modern route, like MML, which incidentally would be the perfect route already in the game for them.

If it's Northern, it could be pretty much anywhere. Some routes that immediately spring to mind are Manchester to Buxton, Carlisle to Newcastle (too long?), Carnforth to Barrow in Furness and Middlesbrough to Whitby (again, probably too long).

If it's ScotRail, then the West Highland line seems like the obvious choice, however I'd also love a portion of the Glasgow and South Western line. Dumfries to Kilmarnock could be great. Stranraer to Ayr is probably too long. I suppose the East Kilbride line is also possible.

 

Remind me not to order pancakes next time I'm in the UK. Who knows what they would look like?

 

Yum

 

US passenger and fast freight trains ran faster in the steam era than they do today- the 79 mph speed limit was imposed in 1948, and before that over 100 was common on wide-open routes.

 

Diesel the Calder Valley Line gives 156,150/2 Northern to Woodhead Line Manchester Picadilly original name Manchester London Road to Glossop/Hadfield

 

No, all Greater Anglia diesel services are now operated by 755s. The 321s are gone from Anglia too - replaced by 720s. They’d have to go back a few years to include them.

The thing with Anglia is that the 321s and 156s didn’t actually run alongside each other on the same route. They met at a number of junction locations such as Ipswich and Marks Tey, but to accommodate both on a route it would have to be something like Felixstowe to Colchester with the 156 running only on the Felixstowe - Ipswich section and the 321 running only on the Ipswich - Colchester section. Not very satisfactory.

 

Given the propensity to only release routes with just one new train, probably unlikely we would get both anyway, unless they upped the price to £35. If the 322’s had run out of Glasgow, which I don’t think they did, outside chance it could be the Ayr line with the 156’s covering the Girvan and Stranraer services. Through to Stranraer would be great, though. Day One if that was the case.

 

Let's hope not, JT would be better for a WHL as they understand what people want. I would recommend 1992 is done for a WHL era. 156s on Glasgows and all Mallaig trains loco hauled. This was a response to ridiculous overcrowding the year before with bikes and luggage. Still an issue to this day hence the 153 conversions.

Let's see what produces but if its Rivet not a great hope other than the editors now mean something decent can be done by the community.

 

A Greater Anglia

Fancy putting stations on a railway line, how inconvenient for DTG.
I would like to see GEML around 2020 time.
I don't think 156's and 321's will be on the same route. Bringing 2 new units to a new route in the game is not they're current style sadly.

 

As an FYI the 156s also run on the MML... So maybe if the 156 comes inwou

I'm gonna be honest, I'll be satisfied with Any era... But please if they do the 156.... Please also do the 153... It's literally just a single car DMU... How hard could it be

 

153s were adapted from 155s, not 156s for one. For two the cab ends on the 153 are different.

 

It's easier to feature a 37, already made as is coaches. A 153 is with a 156 two new trains and that doesn't happen in TSW anymore.