Something I've been looking forward to for a long time... In the latest newsletter from December, AP announced a Class 92 enhancement pack to finally replace the ancient sound pack. So far only two liveries have been shown, triple grey and Caledonian Sleeper. I assume that more will be included, but I wouldn't expect any of the European liveries to be included. This will be the very first AP pack to have SNCF branding in it, unless some licensing issues happen. The train will have GSM-R but with a big catch. As they put it: "Without considerable work which simply isn't feasible unless a kind individual donates their time, it's not possible to add new 'click spots' (items you can click in the cab) without the ability to distribute an edited version of the original model, which isn't possible when we are using someone else's model in an enhancement pack. To date, this has precluded us from including GSM-R & NRN radios in many enhancement packs, but we now feel something in this department is better than nothing. As a result, you will be able to register the GSM-R or NRN radio in this pack, but the registration process automatically occurs upon pressing a key command. Instead of typing in the headcode and signal number (GSM-R) or zone number (NRN) on the keypad, this information is now taken from the locomotive's number in the scenario editor." This is something I'm conflicted about. Reading between the lines, AP could add full GSM-R but aren't willing to do it because it would take too long. As a result we have a very restricted GSM-R implementation in the pack, and unless something changes it seems like we won't be able to use GSM-R properly in Quick Drive at all. I am hoping this is the only big issue with the pack, because this EP has big shoes to fill. The DTG one, even with the AP sound pack, was very limited and had plenty of inaccuracies such as locos without cast plates which should have had them. The EP will obviously be better than the old one, but with the Class 92 being my favourite train I will be disappointed if they mess it up. One thing to think about it the possibility of the exported 92s. I have no doubt that they won't be included in the EP, but I assume reskins will come quickly. However, they won't have the different signalling systems for the countries that the 92s served in. I don't expect it to happen but I'd love to see developers for other countries being given permission by AP to implement the required safety systems for Eastern Europe. Even if it doesn't happen, when I get around to trying RailStudio's Romanian routes I know what train I'll try first...
I appreciate we all play in our own way, but I have never seen the value in simulating the activation or set-up of non-working radio systems. I want to drive trains, not muck around with irrelevant distractions. I think AP have made the right design decision.
The old Class 92 pack is an EP pack with extra features - not just a sound pack. The current Class 92 pack already has different logos including SNCF and Euro Tunnel which is set up thru the locos number. The real SNCF locos never worked past Calais Frethun as they are not fitted with SNCF Signalling. Reskins in to DBSR (Romania) have been available for some time https://backdatedtrainsim.weebly.com/locomotives.html Why do any European Developers have to ask AP? It is a DTG Product.
It doesn't. You can get mods for it, but they are not present by default. I'm not sure why you're telling me this. I said that the new pack would probably get reskins for European liveries quite quickly. Because modifying AP's work without permission isn't something a developer would want to do.
I think the current reskins would work as the Body Geo file would be unchanged. I'm not sure how much of AP's work would need to be changed. It is only an updated EP pack - not a brand new loco.
I always think the GBRf and DB liveries to be slightly bright It will be interesting to see how much different it is to the previous AP Class 92 Pack.
Those liveries are already a big improvement alone. Look at the old ones again and the resolution of the textures is appalling!
When something comes out people say "this is great - good features - improves the DTG item 100%" Then when a newer version is released its " the old textures are appalling - this DLC is awful - etc"
I realise you might not play the Current Class 92 as "the resolution of the textures is appalling" but I'm quite happy with it. But I hope AP fixes the power cutting out - which does not happen that much in real life, according to a friend at GBRf
The GBRf 92s have a shine in real life as they keep them clean but the colours in the game look a bit flat
It's called changing standards and things moving on. What was great in 2014 (when the sound pack was released) isn't considered so now. Of course if your standards haven't changed since 2014, this pack probably won't interest you and there's nothing wrong with that.
Welcome to Train Sim Classic to be honest. It isn't capable of making a loco look like your photo in those lighting conditions but then look like this in other conditions. For the record too, I'd argue Train Sim World also can't handle those differences very well.
My picture was a poor choice - the real 92 in the Picture you posted looks ok but the AP preview shots seem to look a bit flat.
I´ll also give this one a pass for now. I would rather like to see the class 180 or Voyagers remade. Aventras are also missing in TSC for all the London routes.
I do quite like the class 92 so I might add this to my list to purchase, I have been away from TSC for a while so haven't been keeping up with developments, save for some lovely looking steam engines which have emerged. Has any more ever been said about a new class 47. I know there has been a lot of mention of it in the past various rumours. It seems remiss that such a common and iconic loco hasn't had the "AP" or similar treatment.
It is out now. A discount is available for those who own the original sound enhancement pack. Class 92 Enhancement Pack
Looks fine to me: APC92EP: 6B63 19:09 Wembley Yard - Dollands Moor - Chatham Main Line: London Victoria & Blackfriars
Very smooth ride. Makes me happy I archived all of my TSW. What with this and all of the free stuff coming out from ATS .....Ahhh! My New Years Resolution - No TSW purchases - is still in effect
I bought the pack straight away, Class 92s are my favourite train. Things I like: The sounds are lovely. Horn 2 seems a bit muffled but that might be intentional. The textures and logo variants are good. The extra annunciator functions are really cool. Issues: The speed set breaks when using a power mode that changes the speedometer to km/h. Adding ;Cold=1 doesn't seem to do anything, in free roam at least. Again in free roam, no horn is selected by default. To make it work, I need to change the horn type using the keybind. I have reported this and the above bugs to AP so hopefully it'll be fixed soon, assuming it isn't user error. No Stobart livery. It was hideous, but it is a missing variant. The bugs are excusable assuming they get fixed, and I can live without Bart the Engine. However, the GSM-R situation is even weirder than I expected it to be. I knew that a keybind would fill in the GSM-R panel based on what's in the scenario editor, but I didn't expect the buttons to be animated. AP had the time to animate the buttons, but not to add clickable spots which are more important. Every AP pack that has GSM-R allows you to click on the buttons to fill it in. What a weird choice by AP. Hopefully someone makes them for AP, although nothing came of the replacement 717 cab that was being made.
I think this is a general TS issue.... all the German Virtual Railroads don´t react to coldstart in Freeroam.
This isn't as weird it seems. Clickspots are exactly the sticking point for any additions to a cab. Anything else can be handled by a child object on top of the original cab (including animations) but clickspots require the main cab model to be edited, which of course isn't possible in an enhancement pack unless a whole new cab is made.
Does the pack include more heavily weathered skins? The examples given on AP's page are all rather clean for me.
I will treat myself to this add-on at some point. The 92 is a loco I like to drive. And I will ignore the incorrect "power to the loco when the pantograph touches the wires" bit.
Normally there is a delay between the Pantograph touching the wires and the breaker setting to make sure there is power in the wires
Presumably also to check that the power is at the correct voltage and stable. What's the delay between panto contact and breaker closing?
Anyone know if the frequency of the DLF Monitor cutting power has been decreased in the new version compared to the old EP? Perhaps I'm just unlucky but in the old EP the trips seem to happen more often than I would have thought realistic.
Forward AP your reference material for how a 92 operates in this regard and I'm sure they'll reply accordingly. If you read the manual too, they explictly say the VCB doesn't close upon the pantograph hitting the wire, it's done manually by the driver after the line light is lit... It really does feel like you try and find anything negative to say at times.
I'm listening to the Pantograph hitting the wire in the video which I watched and the sounds from the loco start straight away. Having driven EMU's and been the Secondman on Electric Locos it is something I have experience of in real life. So it stands out to me. As you are just an Armchair Simmer and don't know how things work in real life you are likely to have a go at me whatever I say.
Sarcasm.com springs to mind (No surprises there). For someone that likes everything to be as real as possible, may I remind you that, you are the one that says he that doesn't like the reality of bugs hitting the windscreen in this sim? Do I take it you had some agreement back in your days of driving where flies, bugs etc were not allowed to hit the train that Peter was driving? [Sarcasm] I just find that you constantly pick fault and criticise the slightest imperfection in any DLC discussion because it does not recreate real life perfectly, and yet claim you do not want bugs on my screen, accurate wheel slip, improved gradient traction, don't want to learn PZB etc. etc ( see your previous posts)? Before accusing someone as being an armchair simmer maybe take time to reflect and realise you are no longer a driver and have become an armchair keyboard warrior that fills this thread with mostly sarcastic, unwarranted replies to often first time newbies that are just asking for a bit of help. You have a wealth of knowledge and experience of the real world of the railway which is invaluable and unique to us minions that have never worked in that environment. Could you not share that information in a more constructive way, as opposed to a condescending insulting manner? Regards
So I commented about the something that irritated me - the VCB setting before it should have. I did not realise I was not allowed to post a comment about something that irritated me. And I know that to 99% of the people playing here don't know or care if the VCB on the 92 is right or wrong. I don't expect AP to do anything so no point in raising this point with them. So why do people feel it necessary like 37418 to have a go at me because I posted my opinion. In three or four posts this person has criticised me whatever I said. So he got a sarcastic reply. Regards
Might be worth asking the question, you never know, you might get a "No Can Do" response or maybe an amend and update patch. No harm in asking You have every right to respond to something that irritates you, but maybe hold back on the unnecessary sarcasm and belittling that follows. To us old stalwarts of this thread it is what we have become accustomed to seeing in your responses. To a newbie to this forum it can be seen as very condescending, unfriendly and not very welcoming.
So read post #33 - I commented on Something that I thought was wrong. Most people would not bother about a simple as that. But it stands out as wrong. Post #38 and 37418 has a go at me for making - what he considers - to be a negative comment about the DLC. I was not aiming any post towards the person but he found it necessary to have a go at me. So unfortunately he got a sarcastic reply.
I have read post #33 (which in my opinion was posted to start a discussion) & post #38 which stated As previously stated why not have a conversation with AP, they may take your thoughts on board and amend accordingly.. Alternatively why not just walk away and let the world carry on, having the last word is not mandatory.
You have no clue as to my background and quite frankly, it's not relevant. I'm not saying you are wrong, just wondering where your expertise comes from? When did you sign 92s? And again, if it bothers you, why not be helpful and let AP know, assuming your knowledge is accurate and specific to 92s. There's no point muddying the water because you used to drive trains, if they weren't 92s, then sadly your knowledge isn't useful, especially as these locos are so unique and not like anything that went before.
All AC electric locos must have a relay to energise before the Breaker can be set. 37418 - I'm following Craigie-C's suggestion and "walking away" rather than arguing.
Peter, you should know by now that arguing with an AP fan about an AP product is pointless....once the blinkers are on they just can't see your point of view.
