PC Ats' Upcoming Manchester Airport Commuter Is A Joke.

typing this literally just after the route was introduced on the roadmap stream. ATS is going to take a BIG L on this one. Why are we only getting a train we already have from the Gossip line?????? And we dont even have a new train that comes with the route. And would this be the first route from TSW that doesnt come with new trains? Sorry like come on can we not add another train other than the 323- Dont tell me TSW has lost the Northern License and or does no developer cant be bother to model a new train??

Seriously after ATS' garbage 745 for TSC this makes them look worse-

 

There are a lot of reasons not to back ATS content for TSW. This is not one of them.

 

heard some ehm, negative stuff towards them, but I dont know the context... care to explain ?

 

Most third party debut DLCs are loco packs or gameplay packs or similar. ATS, for their debut, have gone for a new route. Perhaps we can allow them a little bit of slack for that, but I don't know how they are received in Train Sim Classic.

EDIT: That being said, I probably am not going to buy it... A new loco may have made it more enticing, but again - they have to start somewhere.

 

I have said in the main thread for this route that this route is not for me: I don't like short commuter runs. however I also think that the more 3rd parties in TSW the better as they will push others and DTG to need to produce better routes as competition increase. ATS need to start somewhere and if this is the best way in for them then so be it. The route itself looks highly detailed and in fairness the 323 is a nice unit, just not one I enjoy driving.

Not quite the entrance that JT had but I don't think anyone could out do that!

 

still think cargo pack is an utter stain sad of a joke. And we dont even get a bundle for those no worth it payware reskins and new wagons that should've come with a route or game. Making that utterly not consumer friendly. That aside.

That is no an excuse. I will forgive them not going to Crewe (But for god sakes can we get an extension for that). But not getting a new train is not an exception.

100 miles route is impressive (at least it should be a full recreation of their over shap route from TSC), making the previous ECML and WCML South looking like an utter laugh. (shouldve gone to York and Rugby/Birmingham respectively).

 

Alan has had some interesting opinions about DTG, TSW & its playerbase in the past.

There have also been other dramas relating to attitude, content quality, pricing & development methods.

Personally I find it quite amusing he’s decided to develop for TSW, but I will say ATS are capable of being the JT of modern UK content.

 

What on earth did I just attempt to read....

 

For me, it all comes down to the price. I don't mind it not coming with new stock if it's priced accordingly lower. DLCs can always be added later. A bigger issue for me is that it doesn't go to Crewe, meaning at best, you'd only get 18 minutes worth of Pendo driving on the Stockport section. And so far, there is no way (AFAIK) to offer route extensions or merges, so we may never see Manchester to Crewe in the game. Given that they're not including any new stock with the route, I feel they could have offset this by giving us more than 27 track miles and taking it to Crewe. Then at least we could've had some decent length 390 runs on it. I know it has more stations than JT's WCML, but 27 miles and no new stock vs 100 miles and a new 87...that's quite a difference. The ATS route would need to be half the price of the JT route to make it seem fairly priced. Will we see that? I am doubtful, but who knows.

 

Not sure how the Cargo packs come into this. However, I will say that after initial scepticism I bought one of them and they are excellent packs, looking forward to the next two!

The fact is thought it is an exception for a route to reuse stock, most TSW routes do have new rolling stock and so it is likely their next release will have new rolling stock and be high detail from the lesson they learn in this one. I am all for critiquing companies, when it's needed but I think you need to cut ATS some slack.

 

Again, I think you'll see Manchester to Crewe as part of the WCML Central route when DTG or whoever create it. Birmingham to Manchester could sit quite nicely in the DLC catalogue.

Especially with route hopping!

 

I wouldn't say it is a joke, in fact it is downright disrespectful to suggest it is, looking at the screenshots it is clear a lot of work has gone into it.

However, I am less excited about the route than I was when it was announced. I am not keen on routes which seem to stop at fairly insignificant places (sorry residents of Alderley Edge). Still if it is busy and has plenty of self contained services then for me it won't be so bad.

 

Go away, troll

 

hard work/looks good =/= avoid of criticism or backlash. I will forgive them for not going to crewe if it is their first route. But in this route we could've gotten a new train. Couldve taken the chance to bring in a Nrothern EMU.

 

Which new train could we have acquired? Does the Class 323 not run on this route in real life?

 

Are you deliberately being silly or just not reading the reasons given for them not giving you a new locomotive? Creating a new locomotive with little knowledge of UE4 will result in a poor result and giving you a reason to moan even more.

 

It does, but arguably a 331 would have been more realistic in today’s world.

Personally I’m not bothered. As Bryer has mentioned, the alternative here was they pull a Rivet & try to develop something they know couldn’t be pulled off.

 

https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:G30278/2024-10-08/detailed#allox_id=1 Shows a 323. 331's operate from Blackpool North and Liverpool.

 

There is already a thread for this route. Was this one really neccessary?

 

It does seem that (at least Manchester to Crewe runs), there are mix between 323 and 331. And I just checked RTT today at Manchester Airport. Only 1 which was a 331 (3 car) while 2 other trains are 323. So its not entirely 323s.
One example of a 331 running the Manchester to Crewe route. https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:G30346/2024-10-08

 

It looks great! Looking forward to a new route, can’t always add new trains so why not make the most of older ones.

 

You do realise that there is no data available for developers on Class 331 units. You'd need to get so much from Northern, CAF and other involved parties, it would take years to develop a half decent unit. Especially considering how broken TSW is at the moment with rolling stock.

 

You can. But that means for those who already have glossip line and wants to get this route, we are (half-) paying for the same train again. Sure it aint worse as the Class 66's case, but this shouldn't have happened in the first place.

 

And you are miserable because of that? Developers can start however they want depending on what they are comfortable with and capable of. Ats is a really small team after all. Do you really want them doing more than they can handle and it turns out terrible?

Every developer is different and there's nothing wrong with that. If they want to start out with a gameplay pack which Id assume you would get really angry over, then that's fine. If they want to start with a loco dlc, that's fine. If they want to start with a new route but not necessarily new stock, that's also fine. If they really want to take the challenge and go all out, that's fine too. At the end of the day, it's what they are capable of according to their staffing, budget, time, etc.

If you want something better, you can create it yourself but there's nothing wrong starting out small and staying within their scope.

If you're going to decide their entire future on this one route, feel free to do that but you'll be missing out on all the other great stuff they might create

 

You sir, are an absolute enigma of a human being. You pay for the Class 66 every time you buy a UK route. You pay for every rail tour diagram in every UK route. You pay for the same signals with every UK route you buy. You pay for the track ballast textures with every UK route you buy.

Your reason/argument for hating on an unreleased route makes ZERO sense.