Atsf/bnsf Seligman Sub: Needles-kingman Route

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  1. Matthew Conner

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    Here's a portion of the Seligman Sub for a new ATSF/BNSF route yet to be created for TSW 5. It would go from Needles to Kingman. The route is over 61.6 miles. It would be set in the 1940's-1950's-1960's-1970's-1980's-1990's-2000's-2010's-2020's-present day. The ATSF rolling stock would include 3000 Class 2-10-10-2's, 2900 Class 4-8-4's including the 3751 and 2926, 3460 Cass 4-6-4's including the Blue Goose, 3800 Class 2-10-2's, 5000 Class 2-10-4 "Madame Queen"s, 5001 Class 2-10-4's, 5011 Class 2-10-4's, 4000 Class 2-8-2's, F-Unit's, GP20's, GP30's, GP35's, SD24's, H10-44's, H12-44's, H16-44's, Alco HH600's, Alco RSD-15's, VO-1000's, Alco RSD-4's, Alco RSD-5's, Alco RSD-7's, GP7's, GP7B's, GP9's, GP9B's, E-Unit's, FM Erie-Built's, Alco PA's, Alco DL-107's, DL-108's, DL-109's, DL-110-'s, Alco RS1's, Alco RS2's, Alco RS3's, Budd RCD-1's, Budd RDC-2's, S-1's, S-4's, NW2's, CF7's, GP30r's, GP35r's, GP38's, GP38r's, GP39-2's, GP38-2's, GP40X's, SD45-2's, SD40-2's, F45's, FP45's, U23B's, U23C's, U25B's, SDF40-2's, U28CG's, U30CG's, U30C's, U33C's, U36C's, C30-7's, SF30C's, SD45's, SD45-2B's, SD40-2R's, SD45R's, SD26's, GP30u's, GP35u's, S-2's, SD45u's, B30-7's, GP60's, GP60M's, GP60B's, SD75M's, B40-8W's, C44-9W's, C40-8W's, C41-8W's, B40-8's, B23-7's, B36-7's, SD75I's, GP50's, B39-8's, SD39's, SW1500's, SW10's, SW9's, and SW7's with the same freight and passenger equipment like TSC has including 12 passenger trains like Super Chief, El Capitan, San Francisco Chief, Overland Limited, David B. Jones Special, California Limited, Chief, Scout, Scott Special, Santa Fe de Luxe, Grand Canyon Limited, and Navajo. The BNSF rolling stock would include SD75M's, SD75I's, SD40-2's, GP60's, ET44C4's, B40-8W's, SD70ACE', SD40-3', GP60M-3's, SD60M's, GP60B's, GP50's, GP25's, GP39-2's, GP39-3's, GP38-2's, C44-9W's, ES44C4's, SD70MAC's, SD70MACE's, SD70ACE-P4T4's, ET44C6H's, ES44DC's, ES44AC's, SD70ACE-P4's, AC4400CW's, AC44C4M's, C40-8W's, C41-8W's, GP40-2's, GP30's, Genset Switcher's, 3SG-21B's, SD38-2's, SD39-2's, SW1200's, SW1000's, SW1500's, MP15DC's, MP15's, GP39E's, GP39V's, GP39M's, SD32ECO's, GP40's, GP9's, F45's, GP38's, GP40X's, SD40-2R's, GP28-2's, SD45-2's, SD60's, SD45's, SD90MAC's, AC6000CW's, 3SG-21C's, FLXDrive's, SD45-2B's, GP38AC's, GP40M's, ET44ACH's, ES44C4-T4's, SD60MAC's, SD9's, GP59ECO's, and SD75ACC's with the same freight equipment like TSC has. The Amtrak rolling stock would also include E-Unit's, F-Unit's, SDP40F's, F40PH's, B32-8WH's, P40DC's, P42DC's, and ALC-42's pulling with the passenger equipment like TSC has pulling the Southwest Chief, El Capitan, and Southwest Limited. It would include the Grand Canyon Railway's 64 mile route from Williams to the South Rim of the Grand Canyon with LS&I SC3 Class 2-8-0 #29, CB&Q O1A Class 2-8-2 #4960, Alco FA's, F40PH's, and GP7u's with their freight and passenger equipment. This sounds fantastic!
     
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  2. Matthew Conner

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    I suggested 61.6 miles of the Seligman Sub because 295 miles is too long.
     
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  3. Matthew Conner

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    I'd love the Warbonnet, Super Fleet, cat whisker, zebra stripe, Kodachrome scheme, Yellowbonnet, and Bluebonnet scheme of the ATSF.
     
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    I'd also love the Pepsi Can scheme for their B32-8WH locomotives.
     
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  5. Matthew Conner

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    This route would be awesome of the massive steam locomotives among others and diesel locomotives in different paint schemes. The ATSF/BNSF version would be fantastic and well as Amtrak!
     
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    Nice proposal. We definitely need more american freight routes.
     
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    Absolutely! Last year, my dad and I did a bit of railfanning along this route in Kingman and Williams. We also rode the Grand Canyon RR (which is formerly a Santa Fe branch line). It was a great experience, and we saw several of BNSF freight trains (even a couple running by the GCRY Hotel in Williams at 3AM!). This route is very busy with almost 70 trains per day on good days! Amtrak also runs their SW Chief on this route. I want more BNSF or ATSF power in the game. Also, I want the GCRY included with their steam locos and F40s, GP7u, and Alco FPA4s/FPB4s.
     
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  8. OldVern

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    This probably hits the brick wall of DTG not currently doing any more US freight railroads.

    Also duplicates what we already have in Run 8 where it exists as of part of a much larger network, once you buy all the subs.
     

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