Blackpool Branches Oiled Up Scenario Unplayable

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  1. kilroy126

    kilroy126 Member

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    Excuse me if this has already been posted, I didn’t see it. This scenario is bugged and unplayable. When you start backing in to the plant the game says Derailed and the scenario ends every time.
    TSW4 on PS5. Extremely frustrating
     
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    Disintegration7 Well-Known Member

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    I haven't played this scenario but did you maybe need to throw a manual switch?
     
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    Pipe Well-Known Member

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    Nothing wrong with this scenario. It might be on your side. Possibly you forgot to line up the switches correctly?!

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    Works fine for me
     
  5. kilroy126

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    It’s derailing almost as soon as the train goes onto the track to the plant and yes I did set the manual junction. I just don’t get it.
     
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    Pipe Well-Known Member

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    Look, I'm really trying to help here. So much that - in your homage - I drove this scenario again yesterday evening. And still I can't figure what's going wrong here. Even if you forget to set the switch correctly, it won't derail you, it just takes you to the wrong track.

    Maybe, just guessing (!) ..... the track is wet and slippery on an 0.2% up grade, the tankers take a while to release the brakes. Did you - maybe - accelerate too much to the point to wheelslipping the 47 and that causing the derailment? I really had to treat her gently (*sand is your friend) to get that rake into place.

    EDIT: *Sand is NOT your friend here as it seems the 47 doesn't have any. SO, you need rely on a very gentle acceleration.

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    I'm currently playing this scenario, not got on the branch yet but as an aside one thing that seems to be missing is a sander on the Class 47. For the life of me I can't see the control anywhere in the cab and "X" on the keyboard does nothing. AFAIR Class 47's did not lose their sanders, a fairly essential bit of kit on a heavy loco working heavy trains.
     
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    Pipe Well-Known Member

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    I'm using always "X" on my external keyboard as well. When I drove the scenario just hit it without watching a notification.
    But your post made me go back and check the sander equipment. And there seems to be none?! At least not on the TSW model.

    I find that weird, especially on a british loco which operates not exactly in the Atacama desert where it doesn't rain for 10 years.
    Is there any other or equivalent equipment to prevent wheel slip under wet conditions?

    The forum below discusses the subject to a certain point. But without conclusion. The thread got derailed.

    https://www.railforums.co.uk/threads/class-47-acceleration-and-braking.217613/page-5

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  9. OldVern

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    Well I’ve just posed the question on the BR Old School FB page of which I’m a member, fair few drivers hang out on there so should get a definitive answer later on re sanding equipment. JT Benedict please stand by!
     
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    And the definitive answer from BROS is… the JT model is actually quite correct. Very few Class 47’s were fitted with sanders and those only on an experimental basis. Came as a surprise to me, particularly where they were involved with freight haulage. So steady hand on the throttle, boys and girls!

    Of course in reality the oil tanks would have been worked by a 47/3 at this point, with 47/4’s being kept back for passenger duties but the same constraint would apply.
     
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    Sorry, a bit late but no, no sanders. The 47s had an anti-wheelslip button on the end of the throttle handle. The small white button applied 10 psi of loco brake (with immediate release), to counter wheel slip.

    I always found this to be adequate for 90% of slip events, freight or passenger.
     
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    Funnily enough another retired driver just posted about the anti slip button on BROS. Now that definitely does not appear to have been modelled, though I guess you could emulate by applying a very small amount of straight air brake and immediately releasing.
     
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    Just to finish this up...

    Yes there is a white button on the end of the power controller but cosmetic only, it doesn't do anything.

    And so far as the OP is concerned, was able to finish this with zero issue. Followed the prompts on screen to set the points etc., then very gently set back at 10 MPH so the rear of the train came to a stand just over the blue marker.
     
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    Very interesting, thanks for checking this for us with competent sources, OldVern!

    FWIW I still don't understand why they skipped this vital system. But then again it's just me, and nobody understands why Britain lost their aviation and automotive industry. (Just yanking your chain! ;))
     
  15. DominusEdwardius

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    BR went through a phase of not fitting sanders to stuff. 47s were one of the victims, and I seem to recall 55s and 50s went through periods of being and not being fitted with sanding gear! I'm sure I've read an explanation in a book once but can I heck remember where I put it! Is also worth mentioning virtually every BR built DMU and EMU were not constructed with sanding gear right up to pacers and sprinters although a lot were later retrofitted in the 2000s onwards.

    Then of course there is the old having sanders, but do they actually work or have (dry) sand in them!
     
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    From further comments on BROS, there was at one point concern about sand getting in point motors and clogging things up, which may have resulted in the decision. As regards Sprinters etc., the first generation was not fitted with traction sanders but later got so so called “one shot” sanders which were only supposed to be used in emergency, e.g. to prevent a SPAD.
     

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