Blackpool Omskirk Needs A Soundtrack

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  1. The Goodies just screams at me when departing Blackpool North!!

    Play it when your driving either youtube or Spotify ROFL



    I don't know how JT didn't know to put this into the route ROFL It fits the time setting perfectly and location perfectly!! Unless The Goodies was specifically a London show????
     
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  2. trainsimplayer

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    Hmm... Maybe because music has never been a thing in TSW apart from the menu and the occasional jingle in a TSW4 scenario?
    Just stick Spotify on and play it at the side.
     
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  3. TKessel

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    I'm glad JT has spared us with such things.
     
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  4. matt#4801

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    No thank you, this is a train simulator and in real life there isn't any music in cabs, and in the menu why should this route's music differ from others.
     
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  6. amtraknick1993

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    Yeah, that’s a no from me. Why would anyone want music playing over the train sounds? I hope this never happens on any route, ever. Play Spotify in the background if you want music while driving a train.
     
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    Yeah I would have to nominate the Spotify option. This is what I use for other games also, especially racing games, if the in-game soundtrack gets boring or there isn’t a soundtrack to begin with.
    Having in-game music in any Train Sim would annoy a lot of people I can imagine.
     
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    You've replaced chieflongshin featuring the most appalling profile picture / meme. Congrats!
     
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  9. Double Yellow

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    Erm, Thank you.
     
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    Harsh! I must up my game :D;)
     
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  11. jack#9468

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    Music while driving a train? No, thank you.
     
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    Yeah, what would happen to an engineer if he/she were caught playing music in the cab while driving?
     
  13. amtraknick1993

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    Use of electronic devices while on duty here in the US is STRICTLY forbidden, especially at Amtrak and any agency operated by them where Amtrak rules apply, like Metrolink where the crew is Amtrak. It usually results in immediate termination. There’s zero tolerance for electronic devices and I assume music would be getting played by one.

    Moral of this post, no one really wants music going while they’re driving a train in TSW4. Lol. And from a real world standpoint, it’s not even allowed.
     
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    Immediate dismissal. Hell, one toe over the line (for any reason no matter how small) and you're invited for 'tea and biscuits' with the boss.
     
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    BPO is perfect as it is.
     
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    :D

    12:00 - on the left side of the cab desk.
    The 90s truly were a different time :)
     
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    A big +1 for no music while driving from me too. I've put off buying Blackpool until I was sure there wasn't going to be any incidental music: I assume from all the above I'm safe to get it? Because I really want it!
     
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    Firmly in the no music camp, but if you had to have music then there is only one option for me...
     
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    In comparison to all other negative posts here about this concern, call me crazy and surrealistic to enjoy music while driving.

    I really like the radio stations in ETS2 and ever wondered how that would be even possible for TSW.

    Got to think about it more seriously and knowing it must be prohibited in real life, altough could let him stay awake at night drives, streaming a radio station while driving a train in game is not an as absurd concern as some here tink in my opinion.

    It's unusual and not realistic, but not a thing which should be laughed at.

    But probably streaming in background will be the best option though. There are more urgent things to be done with TSW than music.

    But coming back to Blackpool and this post in particular, I had a good laugh about the Goodies. Thanks for that.

    What annoys me the most in puncto Music and Blackpool is the one in the new Blackpool Trailer:-P. Again, Sorry for my opinion but just take breath while listening to this tune (although I like the vintage scenery):
     
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    It depends on the region clearly- in Sydney cabs have commercial radios and it’s not uncommon for drivers to blast out of their own speakers. As long as they’re still focused on driving I guess.
     
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  23. jack#9468

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    In England (probably the whole UK), they even dismiss you for illness (at least my TOC does). As in, if you're ill a few times within around 12 months. At least that's what I found out after a period of illness a few weeks ago, and all I do is clean the trains.
     
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    I still find this crazy, I mean I wouldn't even think of driving along at 125mph with Oasis or UB40 or (insert artists of choice here) blasting out as there is no way I am not singing along to that and at the same time putting all the people on that train in danger. As Jack said it would certainly be the boot with no quibbles for playing music whilst driving here as it would be considered pure stupidity and probably negligence.
     
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    I'm usually listening to podcasts when driving.
     
  26. paintbrushguy

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    this driver had his phone out recording the whole thing!
     
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    "You're my wonderwaaaaalll" - POV: crashing into one at 150 mph.

    Well, but I also have something with a bit more bright humor.

    Imagine something like this in the cab, when you turned safety systems off:
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    Or at the platform:
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    So I agree, however it could also be a measurement to increase safety for example at night rides. Coffee is one thing, but music or radio at low level could be another efficient way to let the driver be awake and not fall asleep in my opinion. But I'm not someone in charge which has any right to talk about guidelines like that. So, just a thought.
     
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  28. jack#9468

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    In our case, if the driver was lacking sleep, they wouldn't be allowed to drive.
     
  29. Well I think maybe it should be on the beginning of a few scenarios with some of The Goodies jumping around in Bunny suits and what have you. Music would be playing and you would be WALKING to the train. No radio in the train.

    Would add to the 80s time setting.

    I listened to Heartbeat song list when Peak Forest was released! Adds to the enjoyment.

    And in this you aren't finding collectibles as real train driver so maybe we need to get rid of them and achievements as they aren't real either.

    In Australia music is not prohibited. Not sure about the UK or the US.

    But I was just saying to make the time setting a bit more real... take it with a chill pill folks... no one is going to ruin your Roller coaster.....

    C'mon folks get into the spirit of the game. You can ban music for your driving if you like. No problems.
     
  30. amtraknick1993

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    Did you even look at any of the replies that already answer this question?

    Like here for example…
     
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    He did not.
     
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    Another example why they are banned.

    2008 Chatsworth Train collision.

    Caused by the driver distracted by text messages.

    Killed 25.
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  33. amtraknick1993

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    Yeah I guess not. Poor forum etiquette asking a question already answered multiple times in your own post because you didn’t read all the replies first. As someone who’s been on online forums for a long time, I’m not surprised by this.

    I literally almost gave this accident as an example in my original reply. This is a perfect example of why they’re banned. This accident is what really accelerated the implementation of PTC in the US.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Positive_train_control?wprov=sfti1For those unfamiliar with PTC.

    It even uses a Metrolink locomotive as the example.
     
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    Why do we need music in the game? It was bad enough having distracting music in some of the scenarios. Many countries don't even allow music or electronics to be used by the operator for various safety reasons so no we don't need music in the game.

    If the OP wants music, just use a sepreate device and use YouTube or Spotify. Problem solved
     
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  35. Mr JMB

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    With the crossover between Strictly Come Dancing and this route I would suggest Staying Alive :D
     
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  36. matt#4801

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    Bloody nora! That is just crazy, especially if nothing was said about him doing that. I mean you can't go on the phone whilst driving a car here so, driving a train forget it!
    You have got to love Wonderwall, though it would have to be a real of a wonderwall to crash into at 150mph!

    They are brilliant, gave me a good laugh! Though I think I'd have to keep the AWS on: I mean the pings would add to the beat!

    I suppose you have to balance those last points out with that if you are tired or feeling drowsy you just should be driving in the first place as Jack rightfully says. For example, if it were found that an incident occurred and management had said 'oh play some music to keep you awake', and it were found that the music obscured an AWS warning, that leads to a very sticky situation. Again coffee is never drunk to keep us awake, as if we are feeling sleepy it's a case of not driving in the first place.

    Fair enough, though in the 80s the TV I watched had theme tunes more like this:

    or this:


    Though I suppose that is a matter of personal preference (and a great chance for nostalgia) and see sort of what you mean, I think. Also music is strictly prohibited whilst driving here, which you would have been able to gather if you had read posts above yours.
     
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    Shame I couldn't get my drum kit into the cab, def wouldn't be able to hear the AWS then!
     
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    That's the theory, like car drivers shall behave exactly the same and stick to the same rules like did in the practical examen. But reality is different. People do what they want (either intentionally or accidentally), because noone controls them. How would any company or even government department could control whether a driver is sleepy or not?

    To even bring a mechanism in charge to control would probably be way too cost-efficient. So they would get rid of it in the next tax year.

    Theory / Practice - Two completely different things. And of cause the human (or even technical) factor of failure. Noone will ever give 100% guarentee to a driver's health condition. That's sad but true. Reality is prone for errors. Always was, always will be.
     
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  39. RobertSchulz

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    Didn't they had any safety systems activated? What about the dispatcher?

    How was it even possible to lead to such a disaster just because the driver were distracted by text messages as you said?
     
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    Talking about cars but especially trains, there is very little that can be done to control drivers if they're tired and is very much on the individual. These days everything is health and safety and although they will be disgruntled, management would MUCH rather you don't drive that train if your tired than you driving it and having an incident. It should just be a case of pure common sense, though saying that many car drivers lack about as much common sense as they do sleep.
     
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    As a train driver, can you even dare to say "Sorry folks, today I'm not going to drive that train because I'm sleepy"?

    I mean 1. I don't know whether this reason would be even accepted to just pass out (other jobs require a medical attest to justify that someone can't work), and 2. He would risk his job as it's definitely not a great benefit if you can't let's say "control yourself" like other train drivers might can.

    I doubt that in reality, it's just as easy as this. That was my point.

    Yes, everything and all measurements and responsibilty feelings for the best safety, but reality is different. Controls are omitted (although maybe even obligatory by law) from the company side and from driver side, it's definitely part of reality that you don't say all things happened to your company and maybe risk your job with it.
     
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    There is a minimum rest period drivers (or any railway staff really) should have in between shifts (about 12 hours I think).

    The sleep thing is just common sense. If I went home tomorrow morning and didn't sleep chances are by the time I would be at work I would be falling asleep, and sent home as a safety measure.
     
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    PTC wasn't really implemented on US railroads at the time. Also for some reason the dispatcher wasn't altered to it until after the accident.
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    This accident did lead to the Rail Safety Improvement Act of 2008, which requires most of the US railroads to implement PTC on their lines.
     
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    The dispatcher bares no responsibility in this accident. The blame lies solely on the Metrolink engineer who was distracted on his cell phone sending text messages and ran a red signal into the path of an oncoming UP freight train, who had a green signal. Unfortunately, the safety systems we now have in place today weren’t there in 2008 which would have completely avoided this tragic accident.
     
  45. matt#4801

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    No, however you would be making a call to 'those above' to essentially say you don't think you can safely take the train due to fatigue. In my career I can recall two occasions where I have had to make this call because, due to factors out of my control, I weren't able to get very much/any sleep and my job were by no means at risk (I have other methods for doing that!). Of course it may cause a couple of headaches, but many, many fewer than if I were to have gone in and fallen asleep whilst racing along at 125 mph.
    Obviously if this were a regular thing then the TOC would look into it and find out why you are not getting sleep, so it certainly isn't a get out of prison card by any means. Very few things are as easily done as they were said in life!
     
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    Pretty popular here in Germany as well. That opening is just amazing :)
     
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    Still have my annual!
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    I was remarking to my wife yesterday when she said I would like a particular youtube channel that I could tell I wouldn’t like it as there was background music playing while the presenter was talking about things. It’s not that I find the music distracting (I do, but that’s not the point) it’s that no decent content creator on youtube making informative videos of a high quality would put plinky plonky background music on their spoken content. I noticed a while back that exactly zero of the channels I subscribe to or frequently watch have background music. They may have intro music and some music in them, many are in fact music related, but none of them have music playing behind the presenter as they talk about the subject. That is for cheap, non-serious content, that I don’t like.

    Music does not have to accompany everything in life and not everything needs a theme tune. I couldn’t listen to music when driving a train any more than I could drive a train whilst playing my guitar or composing music. Two hobbies of mine kept very far apart.

    When talking about the suitability of music, then the Benny Hill music is very apt for any speeded up comedy chase but The Goodies theme is not appropriate for a train simulator. It just doesn’t get close to being appropriate. It’s a great theme for a comedy show but it does not fit Blackpool trains. The music actually featured in TSW4 also doesn’t fit a train simulator. When reaching 100 mph in a steam train the last thing you want is a slow fade in of what is essentially requiem music. Sad slow melancholy music does not fit a train simulator any more than comedy music does. It’s best to keep music out of it.
     
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    That is one! Front and back cover, proper book!!
    Mines on my 'retro' shelf on my bookcase, in amongst my old Panini albums, a few viz's, old footy programs to mention but a few! :D
     

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