Br’s Original High-speed Train: Intercity Apt Class 370

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  1. pessitheghost

    pessitheghost Well-Known Member

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    The British Rail Class 370 (Advanced Passenger Train) was a tilting high speed train created by British Rail Engineering Limited.

    In 1962, a R.A.E . Weapons Department scientist by the name of Dr Sydney Jones was hired by BR to find a solution as to why the current trains were derailing at high speed. Following recruitment, Dr Sydney and his team came to the conclusion that trains were developing due to a problem known as hunting oscillation, which is basically a phenomenon that occurs in control systems, particularly in feedback control systems, where the system oscillates back and forth around its desired set point in an unstable and uncontrolled manner. Hunting oscillation can result in erratic and unstable behaviour of the system, leading to poor performance, reduced efficiency, and even system failure. To deal with hunting oscillation, Dr Sydney Jones and Alan Wickens came up with the High Speed Freight Vehicle, a bogieless vehicle that could run at speeds of up to 225km/hr (140mph). Following off this, BR research came up with a new train, The Intercity Advanced Passenger Train.
    Following this, Sydney Jones took his idea up to the BR board who was extremely fond of the project, but couldn’t provide enough funding and Sydney Jones was told to take the idea up to the Department for Transport. Eventually, it was taken up to the Dft and after years of uncertainty, eventually the project was approved and a APT-E was designed and tested before an APT-P was finally built up and designed. As the APT-P research and development program was extremely behind time, the Intercity 125 was developed as a stop-gap while the APT was in test. The APT-P was British Rails most powerful train, and is still the second fastest high speed train in the uk clocked at a top speed of 162mph. Eventually after overrunning costs, and Political Influence the APT project was scrapped - as it was too expensive to run and was over budget. The APT had other forms such as the APT-S (an APT locomotive +9cars and a DVT). The APT-S was the direct progenitor of the Class 91, APT-U (2 locos on the front and rare), there was also going to be a Channel Tunnel compatible version, as well as a dual voltage and even diesel version of the APT. Something that was extremely short-sighted as this trains tilting technology was eventually sold off to the italians and repackaged as the class 390 pendolino, which was much inferior to the Class 370s design.

    This was a locomotive included in TSC, and i believe it would be a good loco DLC for Train Sim World 3 for much older BR railfans. This train is compatible with any WCML routes but the most ideal ones should be
    - WCMLOS
    https://forums.dovetailgames.com/threads/west-coast-mainline-over-shap.65642/
    - WCML North
    https://forums.dovetailgames.com/threads/west-coast-mainline-north.65692/#post-616413
    - WCML Trent Valley
    https://forums.dovetailgames.com/threads/west-coast-mainline-tvl-rugby-to-crewe.64370/
    - WCML Missing Link
    https://forums.dovetailgames.com/threads/missing-link-wcml-stafford-to-preston.68424/
    - WCML South
    https://forums.dovetailgames.com/threads/wcml-south-london-euston-birmingham-new-street.65853/
    Any WCML DLC that comes to TSW should technically have the APT as a railtour, or be backdated to APT days

    Images of the APT
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    APT-S(Squadron APT to be used on the Mainlines)
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    Conclusion:

    This is a very legendary locomotive as it was Britains first true high speed train, and should be added to TSW 3 for much older railfans and newer railfans alike to see Britain’s first actual high speed train
     
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  2. driverwoods#1787

    driverwoods#1787 Well-Known Member

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    Bring it on and for those that want Hudless APT WCML over Shap check PTG rail on TSC Version of WCML over Shap. During the video C-APT will tell the driver that a 155 mph speed zone has started
     
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  3. elarthur

    elarthur Well-Known Member

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    Gets a huge yes from me. The APT-E is a big must as well. Iconic machines.
     
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  4. pessitheghost

    pessitheghost Well-Known Member

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    yep, an APT should be DLC with any WCML route
     
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    pessitheghost Well-Known Member

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    APT-P for me, and maybe an APT-S
     
  6. matt#4801

    matt#4801 Well-Known Member

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    When I read the first bit of the title I thought it was going to be a Deltic suggestion!!
    An APT would be nice with an 87 on a WCML route.
     
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    Ahhh. Deltic. Anytime.
     
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  8. Woroszyl The NS 2000

    Woroszyl The NS 2000 Well-Known Member

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    I need it!
     
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  9. pessitheghost

    pessitheghost Well-Known Member

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    i would love DTG try to model an APT-S
     
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  10. meridian#2659

    meridian#2659 Well-Known Member

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    Agree the 370 is a must have at some point.

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  11. twinboo

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    But the APT-S was never built? I think the APT-P would only work in an ‘80s era WCML, and wouldn’t in any other. It would be really cool to see if it does happen, but I’d also like to see the Pendolino in a WCML Modern.
     
  12. pessitheghost

    pessitheghost Well-Known Member

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    there is no difference between an APT-P and APT-S, the APT-S has a locomotive and a DVT, that’s about it
     
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    This would be fab, a portion of the WCML could be released in 70s format (say Birmingham - Euston) with any one or more classes 81/82/83/84/85/86 and a new timetable produced for addition of the 60 or so APTs like the diesel legends pack. I’d certainly buy it!
     
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  14. pessitheghost

    pessitheghost Well-Known Member

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    yep, with the first gen EMUs as well
     
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