Br 182 Pzb Lzb Zwangsbremsung

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  1. li150special

    li150special Well-Known Member

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    Maybe it is just me being stupid. It probably is.

    So I am starting with the light loco 182 from Fulda direction South. All German stuff PYB LZB Sifa is ON.

    When entering the Schnellfahrstrecke, the safety does not switch from PZB to LZB Hammering on, it ives me of course the Zwangse above 165 kph.

    Questions:

    Why did LZB not engage?
    Should PZB not be automatically disabled when LZB engages?
    I do not seem to be ableto recover from Zwangse with BR182. Tried everything except usng plastic explosives to blow up the loco.

    Wha tam I missing?
     
  2. Scott295

    Scott295 Well-Known Member

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    Did you switch on LZB using the isolate button in the corridor?
     
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    li150special Well-Known Member

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    Yes, I did.
     
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    CowBoyWolf Well-Known Member

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    Did you run past an LZB sign where the LZB primes itself on?
     
  5. Scott295

    Scott295 Well-Known Member

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    That is strange. LZB should automatically engage when you pass an entry point (marked by LZB sign) and PZB will automatically disengage. Seems to be working fine for me. Apart from that I don't know what else you could be missing.
     
  6. li150special

    li150special Well-Known Member

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    Not sure, will try again and give it some more route to auto engage (do not remember an LZB sign(.
     
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    li150special Well-Known Member

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    OK LZB finally engages after a few kilometers. So that was definitely me being too eager.

    Still no clue about recovery after Zwangsbremsung though.
     
  8. solicitr

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    Something which REALLY needs to be in the tutorial for all German trains, or at least the PZB tutorial.

    Basically, wait till you come to a complete stop; hit PZB Clear to shut off the alarm. Throttle OFF (not just"0"). Brakes to 1B (or set indy brake and release the train brake) and let them recharge. Check to make sure the MCB hasn't opened. Now you can start again.

    Remember that you will be under PZB Restricted Monitoring, so don't overspeed until you have hit Clear- should not be a problem to do immediately unless there's an active magnet.

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    Notice that unlike a PZB ZB, a Sifa ZB is recoverable on the fly; as soon as you hit Sifa Acknowledge the brakes should release for you.
     
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  9. li150special

    li150special Well-Known Member

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    Thanks! I agree that there should be a tutorial.

    Will provoke an emergency brake and try again.

    In my mind, I did everything. From brakes to emergency, opening/closing MCD, opening battery switch and batterz master switch.
     
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    solicitr Well-Known Member

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    Leave the battery switch alone. The panto stays up, so you have juice.
     
  11. li150special

    li150special Well-Known Member

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    I don't dare to write it but I had lowered that as well. :|

    As I wrote, I was really desperate because I could not explain and thus tried everything).
     

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