Boy oh Boy where do i start.... DID Anyone looked over this pile of trash before relaseing it for the 3rd Time in an absolute f*CKED UP State? AFB not working Headlight settings not available in the Screen an so on? Will this Loco for what i and a lot of people payed ever get fixed?????? you got the Money now it´s Time to deliver a Product. I mean 3 YEARS?!?!?! C´mon
Ahh, the 187. I keep trying to forget about it, but Skyhook's loco really doesn't work for some reason. I think that if the locomotive is still bad, it won't get any better soon.
You speak about the loc with sold improvements on a roadmap, which then disappeared from the roadpmaps after ? Haha. Sorry dude you just lost 15€
You should have read reviews and the forum feedback. I think I had warned people on Steam. The good thing is Skyhook are not making locos or routes anymore, just repaints, wagons and Gameplay packs.
Skyhook released MML just last year - with many, many problems, true; but subsequently they have overhauled to make it not only as bug-free as one can expect in any TSW rote, but actually a very good route. Unlike Rivet, it seems Skyhook can learn from its mistakes. Still, the 187 is so singularly bad that IMO it should either be completely reworked, or withdrawn.
What happened with MML was they took the help of londonmidland to revise the scenery. On the other hand, they completely removed trackage from Toton and Ratcliffe, even the smoke from the cooling towers. I don't see what Rivet, who have made some pretty high quality stuff like Bernina, could learn from that single case when Skyhook actually fixed something on one DLC of theirs, a pretty small route. Rivet has to continue with new projects, Skyhook stopped making routes and TSW is not their main source of income. I remember when freeroam was introduced, someone posted a bridge too low at Ratcliffe. Skyhooks fix was to block off access and subsequently just remove the tracks.. "No one was supposed to go there!" But back on topic, the 187 will not get any more treatment.
Yeah it´s a bummer. I bought it on release, thought i give it a shot on tsw 5, but who would´ve known....
Convenient part of DTG strategy to release the same game under new name every year is that new copies of the DLC store pages start with emptied reviews.
Lmao, forgot that loco even existed. I know at some point they added "Improved" audio.. but it still sounds like someone dropped it in water. I genuinely do not have a single ounce of faith in this train, and it's price SHOULD be permanently reduced to reflect the quality.
Well i would like if they just bring it back to the state before the fix at the tsw 3 release, as some broken sounds are way better than the loco not having sounds and animations at all. Im just very dissapointed and its just sad that Skyhook games doesnt care about it at all. Very nice first product i bought from Skyhook. Never again.
The 114 is flawed, but can be saved with some fixing. For the 187, we can only send hope to the poor souls that paid money for it.
I´ve been waiting for 80% or so discount on this loco... want to have it on German routes as AI. It´s not worth more than that. I guess it´s fine paying a few Euros for the model.
I bought the thing on sale, but it only appears as AI "moving scenery" for a little variety. I can't bring myself to drive it.
I had a similar thought the last time I was buying stuff during a sale. A few people copy and paste their reviews into the DLC's new entry but otherwise you have to figure out what version of the game the DLC was originally released for and check that version's DLC list to see all the reviews. Is the BR 187 the only way to add freight layers to Koln-Aachen? I was wondering if it might be worth it on a sale just to unlock those and drive them with the Vectron. DW
No. Main spessart bahn adds the main freight layers because the 187 came after ska released. The 187 adds a new wagon and I think new services but I'm not sure about that
All four wagons mentioned on its steam page are already in the game coming from other addons, just.. each of them is misspelled in the BR 187 addon specs in some way, making them appear as something new or different. Whether that is to confuse customers into buying a product by fraudulent marketing, or a sheer incompetence of the authors, is left to the readers' discretion.
noir Thanks for pointing that out. That makes the case for it beeing pulled or at least lowered in price drasticly even stronger.
Haha, 3 years is nothing. Penn station has been broken on TSW2020 for 6 years, and instead of fixing it, they copy & paste the same asset into another 3 routes. HST power cars have been running with "00000" cab numbers on GWE since 2018 due to a numbering bug. You can complain about bugs in TSW for another 10 years, and they will still have less than a 1% chance of being fixed.
I permanently removed it from my Steam Library because of this reason, it destroyed my ears every time it went by.
Even as AI I couldn’t keep it and I uninstalled it, the sounds are atrocious, the locomotive is agonizing and is begging to put an end to its misery. For me it’s the worst DLC ever. Skyhook “tried” in vain to fix it a year later then *Alexa play Benny Hill theme music* it was still wrong as the sounds were badly mixed. Another attempt was made to mix them correctly in vain again…
Doesn't help that the AFB locks you out sometimes, or PZB drops to 55 with endless blinking after LZB exit. And the windows are dirty and tinted so strongly, adding to the old dark lighting (looks better when running under TOD4 sky though). Devs: We're not finished Boss: Release it now, people will buy anyway
Yeah, but I don't want it anyway, I don't even know why I bought it in the first place, It's very ugly too my and I don't like the AC3, or Vectron for that matter.
LucaZone Said that Skyhook has no Sound Enginer for the Sound Setup. And that DTG or TSG had no time to fix it correctly.
The most expensive AI loco in the game. These days the randomizer of Quick Play threw me into a BR 187 freight service on SKA. I decided to be DA MAAAN and take it. The headlights ARE configurable from the screen (wrong light position though) and the AFB DID work somehow. But that loco sound is simply unbearable, pure medieval torture on PS5.
in a time we only had the 185 and 155 it is refreshing seeing the 187 from time to time since it isn't that common on freight compared to others I think. now on most modern routes there are vectrons everywhere. which makes sense. I think going into the different vectrons and adding some liveries would be a good idea. like most heavily used platforms there are a lot of them and some different than others. having the creators club really helps make the railscene look more realistic with the people making liveries for all kinds of companies. however I too will uninstall the 187 because every time it passes I am absolutely deafened and there seems no intent to fix it. I really like what skyhook is doing to MML and all of the british routes with the cargo addon packs, makes me want to play british routes more. I'd love for one day to have the same for german and austrian content..
I've just tried this loco again after a looong time and it still has those sick traction sounds even when free rolling. But the one thing I kind of like is the "SIFA" voice
The only reason MML got fixed was because they hired a producer that actually had knowledge of TSW and its players. If it was Jane or the person before it would never have been updated to what we have. That being said I wouldn't expect anything made prior to that staff change will ever get upgraded. Not only the 187 but Cane Creek and Horseshoe Curve as well.
Such a shame that of, like, two modern freight locos (this 187 and the Vectron) that are available new these days, one is probably stuck to being this sub-par version of itself seemingly forever because of this situation. All because of a tiny bunch of very annoying problems that could be fixed rather easily. But then again, a bunch of copies have now been sold, and for Skyhook that's enough, so I guess nobody over there cares enough to see the potential in new purchases that such a common freight loco would bring if it were, say, Vectron level of overall quality. Imagine it actually working and being available in different configurations like its Siemens competitor, such as, I don't know, a smooth-sides MS3. P.S. yeah technically Stadler makes freight locos too but those aren't even close to available in TSW yet anyway.
Sooner or later DTG will have to make their own version I believe, probably coming together with a future route.
DTG could: - fix the 187 - make the necessary adjustments to turn it into a 147 (basically the passenger version of the 187 / Traxx 3) - make the necessary adjustment to turn their Dosto cars into IC Fernverkehr Dostos (livery and interior equipment) This would result in a nice little IC2 DLC I'd buy, for a reasonable amount of work. That, or it could be part of a full route DLC (Remsbahn Stuttgart-Nürnberg or Gäubahn Stuttgart-Singen-Zürich) instead of just a small rolling stock DLC.
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The 187 is a hot mess IRL too, so in that sense it's kinda prototypical that it sucks in TSW. In the real life version, the airconditioning keeps breaking and this results in the "Störung, störung" warning every five minutes. It also really dislikes being coupled to other locomotives.
I WOULD LOVE to see the Gäubahn, thats my Home Turf so to speak. Matt Peddlesden, would it possiblke to look into the BR 187 and get it Fixed finaly
Im fairly confident DTG said they took over the ‘fixing’ of the 187, the current soundset is courtesy of DTG.
I'm fairly confident that this DLC will stay as it is. It is so messy that no dev is gonna understand it anymore after all these years, as it was a torn apart 185, patched together with so many mistakes, that any dev will see this thing has to be rebuilt from scratch.
we will sooner see a new gen of Vectron capable of 250 kph hit the market and be implemented in a future TSW route than this one being fixed, from what I gather ... but who knows, maybe someone from the community loses patience and really makes it from scratch
Yep like CK95 mentioned, sounds were mixed by DTG but it still sounds awful, I suspect it was recorded using an audio recorder from Fisher Price, it’s like painting a rotten wall: pointless. Let’s not forget this was a DLC released for TSW2 so there’s more chance of not having TSW6 rather than the 187 fixed. The only hope is to get a new route with the passenger version which is the 147, it will likely be correctly rebuild and sounds like a normal locomotive and not a dying one. I said a new route but it might just be a pack DLC with the 147 + IC2 Twindexx Vario cars.
