Br Class 25, 56 And 58

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  1. Aussierailfan

    Aussierailfan Well-Known Member

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    Class 25
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    The British Rail Class 25, also known as the Sulzer Type 2, is a diesel locomotives built between 1961 and 1967 for British Rail.
    The Class 25s were primarily designed for freight work, but a significant number were fitted with boilers for heating passenger trains. Throughout the 1970s they could be found at work across the whole of the British Rail network although the Eastern and Southern Regions never had a long-term allocation.[2] Though regular performers into the early 1980s on Crewe–Cardiff passenger trains, they are best known in that respect for their use on the summer Saturday trains to Aberystwyth, a task they relinquished in 1984. The final Class 25 locomotive was withdrawn from operational service in March 1987 although it continued to be used on enthusiast specials until March 1991.

    Total built: 327
    Prime mover: Sulzer 6LDA28-B
    Power output:1,250 hp (932 kW) @750 rpm
    Tractive effort: Maximum: 39,000 lbf (170 kN) to 45,000 lbf (200 kN)
    MU working: Blue Star
    Axle load class: Route availability 4
    Max speed: 90 mph (145 km/h)



    Class 56
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    The Class 56 fleet was introduced between 1976 and 1984, it is a type of diesel locomotive designed for heavy freight work. It is a Type 5 locomotive. Enthusiasts nicknamed them "Gridirons" (or "Grids" for short), due to the grid-like horn cover on the locomotive's cab ends fitted to nos. 56056 onwards.
    During the early 1970s, it became clear to British Rail planners that a new Type 5 locomotive to handle heavy freight services would be ideal. However, ambitions to produce such a fleet were somewhat hamstrung by cutbacks at many of Britain's major railway workshops, having lost many skilled staff through multiple restructurings and cost saving drives; according to railway author Rodger Bradley, such moves proved to have come at a substantial long term cost to the nation's railway engineering capabilities.

    Accordingly, in 1974, BR placed an order for 60 freight locomotives, which were originally intended to be separately constructed in two batches of 30 at BREL's Doncaster Works and Brush Traction, Loughborough respectively. However, Brush had already reached the maximum capacity of their Loughborough site via several unrelated projects, making it unrealistic to perform the work in-house as had been foreseen. To overcome its constraints, the company's managers opted to subcontract its batch to the Romanian locomotive manufacturer Electroputere.

    On 29 April 1977, the first Class 56 locomotive to be constructed by Electroputere was handed over to British Rail, having been transported from Romania by ship via the port of Harwich. At one point, it was reportedly planned to deliver 20 locomotives each year; however, this ambitious schedule did not come to pass without consequence. The 30 Romanian locomotives (Nos. 56 001 – 56 030) were found to have a relatively poor build quality; to effectively address this, the majority had to be withdrawn from service for extensive rebuilding within their first few years of operation, after which they were re-introduced to service with better performance.

    Total built: 135
    Prime mover: Ruston-Paxman 16RK3CT
    Power output: 3,250 bhp (2,424 kW)
    Tractive effort: 61,800 lbf (275 kN)
    MU working: Red Diamond
    Axle load class: Route availability 7
    Max speed: 80 mph (129 km/h)



    Class 58
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    The British Rail Class 58 is a class of Co-Co diesel locomotive designed for heavy freight. The narrow body with cabs at either end led to them being given the nickname "Bone" by rail enthusiasts. Their design represented a major departure from British conventions of construction; amongst the innovations was the adoption of the American practice of modularisation. The first locomotive of the class was delivered to British Rail during early 1983 and entered service that same year. Despite expectations of a lengthy service life, during 2002, EWS decided to withdraw all examples of the type after only 19 years in service.

    During the mid-1970s, British Rail operated several different diesel locomotives that had been categorised as Type 5, these being a relatively high-powered locomotive suited to heavy freight trains, the newest of which being the British Rail Class 56. Initial experiences with the latter had proved the type to be somewhat unreliable in service, a factor which had led to dissatisfaction amongst several of British Rail's freight customers.

    Total built: 50
    Prime mover: Ruston Paxman 12RK3ACT
    Power output: 3,300 hp (2,460 kW)
    Tractive effort: 60,000 lbf (267 kN)
    MU working: Red Diamond
    Axle load class: Route availability 7
    Max speed: 80 mph (129 km/h)

     
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  2. dave55007

    dave55007 Well-Known Member

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    I'll second all these! The 25 is essential for NTP or any other LM route. The 56 is ideal for NTP, TVL, ECML and MML; and the 58 for MML, GWE, ECML, and perhaps others.
     
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  3. 25262

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    25 yes definitely, 56 yes, 58 no
     
  4. jack#9468

    jack#9468 Well-Known Member

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    Why not? :(
     
  5. 25262

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    Ugly, silent, boring
     
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    jack#9468 Well-Known Member

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    I can agree with the ugly part.

    Would be nice to have, though. It's a unique design.
     
  7. OldVern

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    All three would be welcome though 25 number one choice.
     
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  8. matt#4801

    matt#4801 Well-Known Member

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    Yes please to all three, though especially the 25 and 56s which could go on at least 3 routes each. The 58s would be nice but I were never a particular fan.
     
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  9. elarthur

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    I agree to all 3 of these types. However, the 58 rarely ever ventured onto the existing section of GWE. It is about time we got something other than the Class 66 for freight work. These types have been absent for several years now and desperately need adding to relevant routes for variety.
     
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  10. dave55007

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    I have pics of 58014 at Old Oak Common in May 1984
    69.16 58014, 50017.jpg 69.15 58014.jpg
     
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  11. reallychummy

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    Yes, yes and yes
     
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    Trainiac Well-Known Member

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    Class 58 reminds me of the 20 and I think it actually looks nice, definitely a welcome addition.
     
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    Myself and a friend have exported a 25 that we have made.... If DTG would be interested - unfinished but not far off.
     
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    Mate, that looks hellfire!!! Superb!!!
     
  16. dave55007

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    No, just a normal day. The 58 was there for crew training
     
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  17. dave55007

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    That 25 looks rather tasty
     
  18. matt#4801

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    Great work mate!
     
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    jack#9468 Well-Known Member

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    NTP says hello :)
     
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    driverwoods#1787 Well-Known Member

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    bring all three and for TVL Class 56 and 58 needs to run there since the BR North Eastern region has them assigned to run there
     
  21. andrewandjane66

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    Class 58's worked off Acton alongside Class 60's in the mid to late 90's.
     
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    but those routes are set decades after the last 58 was withdrawn
     
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    I know, but... modellers licence ;)
    Anyway, I can't argue with anyone who wants both a Deltic and more BR blue in TSW! :D
     
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    Any updates?
     
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    Looking absolutely amazing. Needs a few detailed finishing touches but otherwise superb. We need so many more just like this. I'd be very happy to buy this locomotive.
     
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    That's diesels for you.
     
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    Stuff like 60s, 58s, 66s yes they are boring but stuff like baby sulzers, hydraulics, cromptons, peaks and other old br locos are loud and hellfire.
     
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    Would you say the Peak on TSW trans pennine sounds too silenced? I drove it today and it didn't sound too bad , as I have only a couple of miles driving distance with it. I was looking for a Green livery for it in creators club.

    Maybe a detail that could be added is passengers "flailing" out of carriage windows, when you open up.
     
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    No I would say the sounds are about right.
     
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    That would be a superb feature
     
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    I have been lucky enough to be at helm of Peaks a few times, and although it were only at 25 (ish ;)) mph, I can certainly say that the TSW sounds do a very compelling job!
    Sadly the Peaks aren't livery designer compatible so there won't be any green ones on CC.
     
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    There's a video on the ELR onboard behind a 37, and it goes into a tunnel through a forest of flailing arms
    :D
     
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    The image of the class 25 by Willbraddock isn't showing for me on phone.

    Is the class 37 sounds in TSW4 , the same as in TSW3?
     
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    Interesting looks like we might have three routes for it TVL with Class 56 Blackpool Preston Ormskirk and Northern Transpennine since Class 58 entered service in late 1982. If the case of the Huddersfield line it should be combined with a Class 141 Pacer
     

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