Br187=sounds Of 185

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  1. KoeleKoen

    KoeleKoen Well-Known Member

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    Just giving a heads up to those who can't wait for dtg's stream, turns out skyhook just recycled 185 sounds.
     
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    Yeah and someone is streaming the 187 because he lives in Australia. You can watch the stream here:
     
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    Honestly I saw this coming but I’m still disappointed.
    You had one job Skyhook: don’t make it sound like the 185 so it doesn’t feel like the same loco.
    I’m not paying 14€ for another recycled 185.
     
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  4. KoeleKoen

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    Was looking forward to this release, now i'm just skipping completely, you fooled me once skyhook, not this time
     
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    Unfortunately I won't buy this train. Ok, I like the new cab interior and the look of the locomotive but the sounds are just not right. That sound is way different to the real 187. I really looked forward to this train and I was planning to buy it, but now, I am very dissapointed. Maybe, a BIG maybe, I will buy this train when it has a discount.
     
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    I’ll wait for Sam’s stream and then give it a couple of days before deciding. I’m not so fussy about sounds so long as they aren’t glitchy and cutting out. But I do want a properly working DLC

    Though having listened to a cab ride, they are quite different.
     
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    DTG: You should really think about some quality control of the DLC you publish. It can't be everything your third parties publish is way worse than what you do. This makes people loose faith in TSW DLC overall.
     
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    And its not like the irl sounds of a 185 and 187 are hard to differ.
    They sound clearly different, everyone who heard a 187 in real life will confirm that.
    Here is an example on how it should sound:


    Note how it skips several notes on the scale, and its higher in general
    Just because 2 Locos look kind of the same, they dont sound the same ;)

    (ICE4 DLC with ICE3 Sounds incoming)
     
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    Small correction: it sounds like this:


    The DB 187s sound like 147s, unlike most of the other 187s
     
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  11. KoeleKoen

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    "no preview stream, but there's nothing to worry about" ha
     
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    That’s the reason why Skyhook want no preview stream
     
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    skyhook lazy
     
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    Skyhook and Rivet can go to Hell.
    They should be banned from TSW third party program
     
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  15. Ost-Trieb

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    Hi DTG

    Please stop the Release of that version. It is very poor and too expensive.
     
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  16. xi haoyu china

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    yes
     
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    Ok so TSG remains the only serious third party developer.
     
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  18. Ferrovipathe67

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    the Traxx AC3 have the same sounds of the Traxx 186
     
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    Oh well, my hopes are kind of ruined by now, I was going to buy it at release mostly because of different sound than 185, now it's not interesting anymore.
     
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    NO skyook did good things I think of the HST but also the 66 but skyhook has never been very strong on the German gear I wonder why it is not even DTG who took the 187
     
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    While I am truly disappointed as well, I am quite ashamed of some of the remarks made here which are terribly out of order and of place...
     
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    We just had a long year of complaining about the TRAXX sounds, DTG acknowledging it, having a second party dev overhaul the sounds (mostly), and then Skyhook come along, not only with completely incorrect and copy paste sounds, but also the broken ones. I don’t know if this is more shameful or laughable.

    There was question about releasing 2 loco DLC’s on one day, and it appears both Skyhook & Rivet are in competition to get the worst reputation for DLC’s, I doubt either of the 2 units tomorrow will sell well, I suspect the majority of the sales will be blind ones at Midnight.
     
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    the tube stock 1938 is not very very bad
     
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    the BR 187 is a disaster frankly
     
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  26. Tigert1966

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    The sales will be from people that don’t know the trains so well. Lots of people have no idea what the real 187 sounds like. I admit I didn’t until I searched for a cab ride.

    People that know every single detail of a train are, I guess, the minority.

    I’m not dismissing this totally, but now I do know what it sounds like, it’s disappointing.

    The 1938 stock, I would buy if I wasn’t waiting for Arosa fixes. I didn’t find it that bad personally .

    So a waiting game for me on both of them.
     
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    I'm glad you added Third Party Programme on the end there, both have good things they've proven in 2nd party or 3rd party (Rivet with Cathcart Scenery, and their own loco models, Skyhook with Scenery).

    But I think Cornwall has the be "decent" or above for Rivet to stay around, Skyhook, I personally think they're alright. Horseshoe will say a lot.

    P.S. Calm the- down, they won't go to hell. Honestly, you seem to complain about everything (justified (like this case) or not (almost every other case)) and do it in the most unpleasant way possible.
     
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    there are two engines one dating from 2015 and another from 2018 that of 2015 is quite similar to the Traxx MS 186 the sounds are slightly different but it is above 10 kilometers per hour
     
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    Skyhook Games made some nice German locos under TS. I admit, very disappointed with the sound that could have been at least reworked to try to stick to a BR 187.
     
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    I think I'll exploit the microsoft refund policy for this one.

    While the sounds are bad I really like everything else and I have to decide wether everything else is good enough to justify the sounds. At the end being a freight loco you don't spend a lot of time accelerating and decelerating from slow speed, and at higher speeds is not too bad.

    Hopefully some mods will fix the PC version.

    The sounds are the same as the Railion BR185?
     
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  31. Ferrovipathe67

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    no there are completely stupid bugs like the key of the reverser frankly this locomotive disgusts me I have the impression that we also spat on my BR186 (my favorite modern locomotive)
     
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    Common...., i thought with tsw2 we are done with standards around the absolute minimalism.

    Since we dont sit in a real train, sound is the one and only way to create this immersion and bring it to a player.

    Skyhook, tomorrow i will enjoy a nice dinner but for sure not spend money on a lazy product.
    The day i read the sounds are correct, ill pay even double. Actually first tsw dlc i wont get, and i have them all.

    Well could still be possible the fact that we all are wrong with recycled sounds, right?!
     
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  33. doublefine7

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    Well and another wave of total exaggeration. Wrong sounds can be fixed with a patch. Its not ruining a dlc per se. If they choose the wrong model or almost everything is wrong and inaccurate, I could see the harsh disappointment, but wrong sounds, come on. Yes, its bad, but its not the end of the world. Give them a chance.
     
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    THIS!

    Uhm, the signage the side says it's a 147, so I'd say there's a bit of inaccuracy...
     
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    Give them a chance. LOL it's a shame this traxx AC3
     
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    Dude, its their 2nd DLC for this game. Expecting perfection is just unrealistic.
     
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    I have not criticised any dlc up to this moment , but what is this? Everyone wants to get the best possible sound in the game and for this we get a reused sound which is a completely different loco sound. After that, I just have one question: How can you make such a big mistake?
    Then let's not just talk about the negatives, the model,MFD,engine room is very nice.

    I hope we get a completely new sound and it will be a fantastic locomotive.
     
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    And DTG is silence on any thread about the sounds.
    Vintage Dovetail
     
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  39. KoeleKoen

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    You mean like how they patched the non rotating/non animated bogie/wrong ride height of the 4400 on cane creek? Oh wait, they didn't.. They didn't patch 1 thing, don't expect them to patch sounds.
     
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    Perfection? No
    For the loco sound like the loco they’re selling? Pretty reasonable expectation.

    Don’t really agree with the “it’s only their *insert number* DLC”, it’s not like we’re buying a test run, it’s a full price product & both of Rivets and Skyhooks’ previous DLC’s remain in ominous states, I’d be much more understanding if the prospect of future updates to the ‘first run content’ was more likely, but instead it’s just a case of move onto the next DLC.

    Frankly the reused sound is one thing, but to reuse a broken sound file is just ridiculous.
     
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    I don't really get this mindset. It's a product, they're not making a favor by creating it and you're not making a favor by buying it. It's business, and the buyer usually expects to get someting good for their money. If people are complaining, then clearly it's not good enough.

    Though I personally was not interested in this locomotive to begin with (I'm not really into german railways), but sad to see it disappoints so many who were looking forward to it.
     
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    Do you realise how unpleasant some things you say are ?
     
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  43. Ferrovipathe67

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    false because Syhook made the wagons of MSB RSN the class 66 and the two types of wagon the class 33 also so no this is not their first DLC and also the class 43 HST
     
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    I see why people are upset about the sounds and that is totally fine. But the tone is making the music here: Critizicing stuff is fine but saying "Skyhook should be banned forever, they are crap etc" isnt useful, its toxic. And a lot of people are exagerrating their critique like that. Just chill guys. The sounds are wrong, they should be fixed at some point. Thats it.
     
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    Seeing skyhook's track record of "fixing things" doesn't fill me with confidence
     
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    Well, then I recommend being vocal about the issues. Face DTG and the forums with the issues over and over again.
     
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    I think "some" is a slight understatement
     
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    Agreed
     
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    Skyhook never fixed the AC4400 or any Cane Creek bugs since months.
    Just like Rivet with Arosa or wrong sounds for there Passenger Waggons.
     
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