Br187=sounds Of 185

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  1. matinakbary

    matinakbary Well-Known Member

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    Basically, this is the first time I asked for a refund for TSW. Never been that disappointed that much. I gave it a chance, but no. It's beyond acceptable. It's not even 'okay'. It's just maybe the worst DLC for TSW ever released. The Sound is a joke. At least that's what I hope it to be.
     
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    Ok, this is actually new heights (or lows I guess) of bad. If that is really what Sam will be showing off tonight…
     
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  3. DB628

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    Yes Sam showcase this annoying DLC.
     
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  4. facundo.dim

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    I think the sound it's not the main problem. Right now it's a gamebreaking loco.
    -Throttle at full power no matter what power you select, causing insane amounts of wheelslip, and I don't want to think about shunt.
    -LZB Ende alert, the PZB release button do nothing, emergency stop.
    -FOV seated at the cab, not gamebreaking but looks like I have my face against the front window. Ugly.
    -And the sound, not because is from another loco, I really doubt those volumes are healthy, I know other locos have high volume but this is danger. I can decrease the volume but all sounds get low too, couldn't hear the Sifa.
     
  5. bobbobberdd

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    You're kidding us here, right? "true-to-to-life detail" 16342244977503439179468237569099.jpg
     
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  6. Lamplight

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    Yeah, the sounds seem like the tip of the ice berg. It was also said that LZB on the screen doesn‘t work. That‘s game breaking for anyone driving with no HUD.
     
  7. facundo.dim

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    Did you play the DLC? that video sound isn't even close to the game. It isn't a good example because it's worse than that.
     
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  8. Lamplight

    Lamplight Well-Known Member

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    No, I haven‘t. I‘m still waiting for Sam‘s stream to get an official (if you like) look at the DLC.
     
  9. dbrunner#4864

    dbrunner#4864 Well-Known Member

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    Looks like Arosa finally has some competition.
     
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  10. matinakbary

    matinakbary Well-Known Member

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    Tbh i didn't ask for a refund for Arosa because the loco is quiet fine. Arosa is way better than the 187.
     
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  11. Richard CZE

    Richard CZE Well-Known Member

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    I understand it well? Is that awful sound made by the DB 146.2 locomotive back? I didn't use the 146.2 locomotive for almost the whole year because it couldn't be listened to.
     
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  12. ottselmaster

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    Time to stop using Skyhook games as a 3rd party? That`ll make them test their dlcs before launch.
     
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  13. Mat_Jam_Ca

    Mat_Jam_Ca Well-Known Member

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    Sam usually grips it and rips it. In that case, the wheels will just spin until they’re molten and welded to the track.
     
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  14. pwarner893

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    This thread. Wow. Sam and co will have fun tonight with the stream.
     
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  15. Lamplight

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    True. Seems like the 187 was made for Sam - it‘s all grip it and rip it whether Sam wants to nor not :D
     
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  16. shamanspark

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    First german loco dlc i will not buy for sure.
    Enough is enough.

    I am just so sad, was looking so much forward to this....
     
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  17. SwissLetsplay

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    Ja glaube ich auch. Ich meine was man teilweise für sein Geld bekommt grenzt schon an Unverschämtheit...ich ärgere mich einfach nur noch über DTG und Skyhook Games... DLCs mit Qualitätskontrolle würde dann wohl noch mehr kosten...
     
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  18. shamanspark

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    Wahnsinn oder, wie tief kann man sinken?
    Ich habe mich so über die Lok gefreut und jetzt sowas. Keinen Cent dafür, sorry.

    In english for DTG: This one is rock bottom! Please react.
     
  19. SwissLetsplay

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    Ja geht mir genau so, ich hatte Freude als ich sah, dass diese Lok entwickelt wird. Ich finde halt das schlimme an der Sache, dass wir keinen Patch erwarten dürfen, der die Bugs fixt.
     
  20. praxidike.meng

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    Was really looking forward to this loco, but those sounds are just completely wrong. It is repeated time and again that correct sounds of rail vehicles are paramount to be enjoyable. Polls and forum threads have consistently put realistic sounds on the very top of desired properties of simulation and yet we still get such carelessness.
     
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  21. 7orenz

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    Perhaps there are several models with different cabin layouts. But the dashboard doesn't look exactly the same to me either. In addition, the windows will seem further away from the seat (note the small front air intakes right on the dashboard near the front glass)

     
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  22. londonmidland

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    This just says it all…

    How and why on earth did DTG allow this to be published in the state it is is beyond me. What happened to quality control?

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    Someone on the TSC Discord found the files for the 185. Oh, uhm sorry, I meant 187.
     
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  24. redrev1917

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    Despite the sounds I was quite looking forward to this and was intent on purchasing tonight, however I play with no HUD and if the reports of LZB not working in the Cab along with other PZB related bugs are correct, then I will sadly be giving this a miss.

    SHG must have know that none Cab working LZB would alienate anyone who drives without the HUD and decided the costs involved getting it working wouldnt have been covered by the lost sales ( I appreicate that only a small proportion of players dont use the HUD) or didnt even consider it.

    For the majority this isnt a game breaking but for the likes of me sadly it is virtual a gamebreaker, which is sad and disappointing.
     
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  25. SwissLetsplay

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    Wir haben die Gauner überführt. Yes!
     
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  26. Cameron's Gaming

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    Skyhook are the only developer to have any their TSW DLCs listed as "mostly/very negative" - and it's both of them.
    (this excludes products where there aren't enough reviews for Steam to give the consensus.
     
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  27. sequencer2k16

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    DTG should pay off Skyhook for the 187 loco housing and try to rescue the loco.
    Considering that the rest of the 187 is from DTG anyway, this should not be very expensive.
    Would something like that even be possible?
     
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  28. PeterNeutron

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    This is a silly bloody joke isn't it?
     
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  29. tallboy7648

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    That is not even a surprise. Is dtg the next EA?
     
  30. zhexuan_li

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    Copy paste the sound from BR185->Negative reviews and fall in reputations

    Please fix the ridiculous sound ASAP Skyhook, don’t fool your customers.
     
  31. bobbobberdd

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    Personally, I had fewer problems with EA than with DTG and I have 154 days of playing time in the Sims 4.
     
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  32. chieflongshin

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    dear lord I’m glad I moved from Xbox . You shouldn’t have to tolerate that ear pain
     
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  33. tallboy7648

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    Yeh. At least EA makes up for their mistakes like what they did with Star Wars Battlefront 2 after all the backlash for example
     
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  34. KoeleKoen

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    Just to be clear, it's important we make our voice heard this stream, point everything bad out but try to keep it civil, just calling names won't help us, we need to stick together as a disappointed audience so we're taken seriously. I won't take "don't like it don't buy it" as an answer this time, we can't let this level of "quality" just pass by.
     
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  35. chieflongshin

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    I’m clock watching and wondering which train they’ll do first and whether there will be a stern talking to the audience before play begins. Agreed, not good enough but civil feedback
     
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    Ok, so I've done that as well, and my findings are:

    1. The throttle is working, the problem is AFB, it works like the Talent's tempomat, if you use it, as soon as you set the throttle to the minimum value (11%), it "takes control" you can still use the electric brakes normally, if you don't use AFB the throttle controls work as normal. I am very confident it's not prototypical. VIDEO CLIP
    2. The sounds while being very bad are not as bad as I expected, here are some clips of me cruising at 95 km/h and 120 km/h with power applied (I'm on xbox so it's worse case scenario), you need to remeber to switch between external and internal cameras (often going to the back of the train is needed), otherwise the sound looping bug will make the trip unbearable).
    3. The physics just seem like the old Traxx ones but with the power cranked up a bit, also there is immediate reponse, like on the old Traxx Versions, which is not great compared to the latest BRD Traxx, but again, it's not awful,
    4. LZB seems as broken as it is on the old Traxx (so it doesn't give any indications on the MFD and the LZB Frei button doesn't actually acknowledge LZB Ende), which is abhorrent considering SKA is the loco's home route, but it works fine everywhere there is some actual freight action - like RSN and BRD
    5. Other bugs and inaccuracies already mentioned by other users are not that big of a deal for me personally, the only one that stands out is the broken PZB indicator.

    So, a summary:
    It's about as good (maybe slighly better) - IF the bugs are fixed than the old Traxxes, but not as good as the remastered ones that were released with BRD. 15€ is not much, and I can see myself enjoying it here and there, but it's definitively not a BR101. I will still refund it (unless sam brings very good news), because not working LZB for a loco based on SKA, the old sounds and the broken AFB are not good enough for me.

    P.S. If anyone is interested here is the full VOD, where you can see what I've done and some testing at the end. Not sure why you might want to see it, but it doesn't matter if it's here or not so...

    P.P.S. I knew all that I needed to know, refunded, might buy it later if I feel like donating some money to Skyhook or on sale.
     
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  37. dreampage

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    My predictions are:

    - "It's not where we want it to be"
    - "If you don't think it's good enough, just wait with the purchase"
    - "We are sorry, and we know it's not enough"
    - "Fixes are already in the works / thorough testing etc. etc."

    ;)
     
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  38. matinakbary

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    Well that would be very welcome, wouldn't it?
     
  39. dreampage

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    Honestly, what would be very welcome is a piece of content where we don't have to list bugs, complain and wait weeks or months to get them fixed.
     
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  40. Javelin

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    This is first time I have requested a refund for anything on tsw2!, really disappointing, like so many others here i was really looking forward to this dlc :(
     
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  41. leonmassama

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    Don't you all see that the db br 187 just entered the QA?

    We are that team, its cheaper we only cost a few apologies...
     
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  42. MetrolinkF125#916

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    Like most people, I was looking forward to purchasing this dlc, but I’ll surely be spending by money on something else and like with rivet, I’ll be staying clear from any SHG products until I see an actual quality improvement in their products.
     
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    One thing they have gotten right according to this video, is the cab camera position. It feels like you are standing instead of sitting...
     
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  44. dreampage

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    OK so the official explanation is that due to Covid-19, Skyhook couldn't sample a real DB BR 187, therefore they copied the 185 sounds and released the product this way. Because the majority of people outside Germany wouldn't notice the difference anyway.
     
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    What a joke The excuses, I don’t trust anybody from them.
     
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    poor excuse, not covid but “people outside Germany wouldn’t notice” by Jove we noticed. This should have never been released
     
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    And it was said that the sounds won't be fixed for anytime soon.
     
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    which is frankly an unacceptable reason for using a broken sound set, why not use a good set of sounds from the other TRAXX locos.

    Honestly it’s unacceptable reason full stop, if you cannot develop the loco, don’t develop it, simple.

    Honestly, discussing the sounds for all of 3 minutes, and ending with “sorry we can’t do anything” is just a joke, we’ve now reached the point in TSW where we are literally being sold non realistic trains.

    In terms of Sams “this isn’t really a massacre”, it kind of is, this is literally the worst set of sounds currently in the game, it’s completely horrific to listen too because it’s so broken, this sound file is the reason that more than a few people steered clear of the TRAXX units in game.

    If skyhook cannot give us correct sounds, they need to give us better sounds, that weren’t broken in a technical blunder that occurred when the TRAXX fleet came over from TSW 2020.

    If they knew that this loco wasn’t going to be correct, they should of either shelved it, or made it as good as it can be, not just give up and do what they did.

    They were clearly operating with the mindset of recuperating the development costs, when all they’ve done is hurt their own reputation.
     
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  49. goochdog#5870

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    Bit off that no one from Skyhook turned up on tonight’s stream
     
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    We pretty much got two of those with the 465 and the 101. And Cathcart had few complaints other than the nighttime lighting, which is a universal TSW issue.
     
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