DTG have finally decided to do a Welsh route, and one that is very local to me too. However the information they provided in the stream was incredibly vague. Unless I missed something we've got no indication of where it's actually going, nor what trains will be included. I'm hoping at least one of the Valley branches is included (it should be Merthyr because of it's historic significance), but I'm worried only the immediate network around Cardiff will be featured, so I'd imagine both routes to Radyr Radyr as well as the branches to Coryton and Penarth, maybe as far as Barry Island. I believe DMUs were mentioned, however I'm in no hurry to see Rivet's 150 again. Have DTG remastered it or are they using JT's 142? If so then the route will have to be backdated somewhat. Do we know what era the route is in? Either way, very excited for more info.
Assuming DTG stick to type I’d imagine the main unit will be the 175 or 197. I’m not sure what the deal is with Third Party rolling stock but it’s hard to imagine the 158 wouldn’t make an appearance. As for routes & the network theme, my guess would be Bridgend, Barry Island, Penarth & Cardiff Bay? Alternatively, Caerphilly, Coryton & Rhymney? Tough one since there’s a lot of stations & milage involved when you talk networks, but thats assuming it’s not just a collection of half built lines out of Cardiff.
If we’re talking purely Cardiff City lines then yeah, 150/153/142 are the main contenders, if DTG go ultra modern then could be 231, 756 or 398’s. Route & time dependent.
They’ve said here: https://live.dovetailgames.com/live...ticle/train-sim-world-5-vr-tycoon-coming-soon As part of the big Train Sim World 5 announcement, we also decided to reveal the names of 6 route Add-one currently being worked on for release over the coming months. Whether you’re keen for a new country, the next Just Trains route, or even another Remastered route Add-on, we have you covered. The 6 route reveals were: MBTA Commuter: Boston - Framingham/Worcester Line West Coast Main Line: Preston – Carlisle, developed by Just Trains Spoorlijn Zwolle – Groningen Cardiff City Network Pfälzische Ludwigsbahn: Mannheim - Kaiserslautern GWE Remastered, which will be available for free to players of Train Sim World 5 that own the original GWE route Add-on Hopefully the Cardiff city network is the full valleys routes including Bridgend main and and the vale routes
As I have just said elsewhere I haven't had the pleasure of a Welsh away day recently, but always recall the railways to be fairly decent and interesting routes, lets just hope DTG choose the traction and exact lines wisely.
Would love a 153 and a 150 where door controls at the staff door works. We don’t know the era yet so could have leaf yellow door pacers too.
The 231s are only temporary on the Penarth/ Rhymney services. They're a stopgap until the 756s are ready. They look identical however the 756s are tri mode while the 231s are DEMUs.
I agree that it should have Merthyr in the route, giving the opportunity to put Trevithick’s steam locomotive in at some point! I’d love it to have all the valley lines in but I think that is probably too much to expect.
They did use the word "Network", so unless they're being very disingenuous that would imply lots of branches/links and not just a small linear one. The WHOLE network would be huge, like doing the whole London Underground. Guess we'll see....
We all know that the class 175 will set itself on fire, first chance it gets. Best get the marshmallows out.
I walk past the Trevithick monument marking the location of the tramroad to Abercynon every day on my way to work. It was the first locomotive in the world to ever haul a load over a significant distance, so it's kind of vital to me that if this route does go out to the Valleys, Merthyr is represented.
This was my favourite surprise in the whole stream, really hope we can find out exactly which lines are involved sometime today!
Was pondering earlier what this will offer as I can’t see it being the entire network, nice though that would be. Think it’s a given we will get Penarth, Barry and the Bay. Treherbert probably the busiest of the northern sections but Rhymney offers the possibility of loco hauled trains depending on era, also coal traffic to/from Cwmbargoed. Aberdare and Merthyr would be nice but effectively one track sidings whereas Rhymney and Treherbert are used to out stable overnight. I assume Coryton would be in there.
I hope it's set in an era where coal trains are still running but I expect it'll just be another bus route.
Yes they don't want to undo all the good work done by the Dovetail Direct! If they do please port it onto WCL.
They were still running Class 37s through Heath High Level a couple of years back in Regional Railways colours and pulling some scruffy old ex-Avanti Mk 2s...... which could be nicely replicated in the route
DTG mentioned DMU in the stream but they didn't mention which period it would set, and what DMU they would use? 1. If set in Tfw period, 150 and 153 are used for Cardiff City Network. I am not sure if the Ebbw Valley line and the Maesteg line are part of Cardiff City Network, if they are, we may able to see the Class 197. 2. If set in KeolisAmey Wales or ATW period We can expect both Sprinter and Pacer
Neither the 170 nor the 197 run on the Cardiff City/ Valleys network. The 170s are gone now anyway, they were only a stopgap. The only realistic options are 150s and Pacers. I can't imagine them making a 153 exclusively for this route as there were never that many of them on the route, and they didn't operate any services the other trains didn't.
The logical era would be late Arriva, as there are lots of trains they could re-use and/or repaint. 142, 150, 158 for AI, HST, 66. Even the 166 for a slight overlap. The only new build that would really fit would be the 143. I expect it'll be the inner part of the network - Radyr both ways, Penarth, Caerphilly, Coryton, Cardiff Bay perhaps.
Given I believe Arriva has previously proved challenging from a licensing perspective, I would fully expect this to be current day TfW. If I were a betting man, I'd say DTG might buy the 150 model from Rivet and rework the physics/sounds/setup, and then possibly create a 153 to go with it. But I wouldn't say I'm confident in that prediction.
i personally would love a 153 brought into the game for this route, honestly there's so much good potential for this one!
I'm hoping they go for the old GWR era!! plenty of lovely steam engines, another copy paste of pacers and 150s would be a waste!
I too would hope for Arriva, however the licensing could prove tricky. Technically Transport for Wales operated Pacers for a few years although they wore unbranded ATW livery. I suppose BR era would be easiest, although I'd be very disappointed if they finally did my local line only to set it before I was born.
From Dovetail themselves: Cardiff City Network – Croseo i Gymru! Cymru am byth! Expanding our breadth of UK content, we will be exploring rail operations on the other side of the Severn with our very first Welsh route, and where better to start than the capital city of Cardiff. Featuring a densely packed network within the city, intense passenger services will keep you busy aboard Transport for Wales Diesel Multiple Units, operating through many stations on various timetable patterns; a swift departure from the long inter-city running of the WCML routes.
Partial, but some of the smaller branches are ‘in-full’. At least the stock is named in plural, so hopefully the aforementioned 153/150 make an appearance. Did the Pacers survive into TfW times here?
Yes, rivets 150 was awful and still is awful to this day, about time someone puts it to good use, if they do.
That's a little... disappointing. I would have hoped for at least one of the northern branches, Rhymney being the most scenic and not going to Barry Island a huge omission. This is going to end up with a lot of trains going on and off stage via portals rather than running self contained diagrams to and from the terminal stations. TBC but slightly relegated to possible sale purchase unless something convinces me otherwise.
I think the only "end to end" services we can drive will be Radyr to Coryton and Cardiff QS to Cardiff Bay. I'm slightly disappointed, it should have gone to Barry at least.
Can't wait for this, I'm assuming the trains coming with it will be 150s, 153s and maybe Pacers... Either way (if I still have money by that point) it'll deinitely be a day one purchase - plus this proves DTG have the TfW licence, so now the WAG set is possible!
Agreed, I rather like the look of many new trains but there is something about these and their Anglian cousins which just looks terrible, the red front on the Welsh ones makes them look even worse. Give me a sprinter every day over these 231s.
Here here!! Thank god North Wales doesn't have them.. though despite that, all we get are 197s, a few 158s and two WAG sets a day - still miles better of course though. Talking of the WAG set, I saw one on an ECS today!
Yeah it does seem strange. Perhaps the main requirement for this route was ‘sub-10 minute drives’ as well as being the short route dlc.
They are shocking things from the front, but side on even worse, about as dynamic as an old widow's daily routine. Looks like a jumbled mess. The 197s on the other hand I rather like the look of.
This is exactly what I was concerned about, having a bunch of chopped up lines kinda defeats the purpose of doing a network in the first place. Hopefully the traction will save it. A redone 150 & new 153 will be nice & could save this. If it’s going to be a 231 or worse, 398 then I can’t say this is what I had in mind for Wales in TSW.
Quite happy with this myself! Would have liked to see pontypridd as the end point instead of radyr, but other than that this really is a bit of me.. a network style layout using modern diesel traction, this alongside the southern wcml are the two i cannot wait for!
Quite disappointing. I'd have hoped the line would at least go out to Barry Island and not just Penarth. And it seems that it will be a TFW route, so definitely expect to see the 150 at least.
