Route Chat Moss: Liverpool To Manchester

Hello all, TrainGeek08 here and to celebrate 1 year of being on the forums I'm making another suggestion for you, it's the Chat Moss route between Liverpool Lime Street and Manchester Victoria plus the short spur to Manchester Piccadilly would be included

Route Information:
The northern route runs from Liverpool Lime Street station, via Earlestown and Newton-le-Willows, and continues to either Manchester Victoria or Manchester Piccadilly. The line follows George Stephenson's original 32-mile (51.5 km) Liverpool and Manchester Railway of 1830, which was the world's first inter-city passenger railway and the first to have run 'scheduled' services. Many early steam locomotives were initially used on this line including Stephenson's Rocket, which won the Rainhill Trials in 1829 (see List of Liverpool and Manchester Railway locomotives). The line also includes a number of listed structures including stations and bridges, particularly the Rainhill Skew Bridge and the nine-arch Sankey Viaduct. The line uses Class 319 electric EMU units.

Route Map:


(You are interested in the top route as the bottom route is the diesel route via Warrington)

Stock included in base route:


The British Rail Class 331 'Civity' in Northern livery



And the British Rail Class 802 'Nova 1' in TransPennine Express livery

Training (In Training Center):
Class 331 Introduction
Class 802 Introduction

Scenarios:
CAF Goodness: (Difficulty - 1)
Drive this 331 from Newton-le-Willows to Liverpool Lime Street then operate the return service to Manchester Victoria

Morning Nova: (Difficulty - 3)
Drive this early morning TPE 802 ECS into Liverpool Lime Street then operate the first Newcastle service of the day but due to floods, you are going to be terminated at Lea Green

331 from Vic to Pic: (Difficulty - 2)
A Class 331 has operated a service from Manchester Piccadilly and has broken down, so drive a spare 331 empty from Manchester Victoria to retrieve it and take it back to Piccadilly

Nova in the Snow: (Difficulty - 2)
Drive this Class 802 from Manchester Victoria to Liverpool Lime Street calling at Lea Green and Newton-le-Willows then drive the unit ECS back to Edge Hill for overnight stabling whilst in some wintery conditions

Timetable:
Here is the May 2019 Working Timetable for this route:
2019-05 WTT CL | Network Rail Corporate Archive
(You are interested in section CL02 for this route)


Potential DLC, Layers, Stations & POI on Pages 2 & 3...

 

Page 2:

Potential DLC:


The British Rail Class 319 in Northern livery

Training (In Training Center):
Class 319 Introduction


Scenarios:
To the Wigan... not quite: (Difficulty - 1)
Drive this Class 319 on a special express service to Wigan North Western as far as Huyton where another driver will take over

CAF Replacement: (Difficulty - 2)
Drive this Class 319 on a stopping service from Manchester Piccadilly to Liverpool Lime Street as a replacement to a Class 331 which failed earlier in the day

Manchester Shuttle: (Difficulty - 1)
Drive this Class 319 across the Ordsall Chord from Manchester Victoria to Manchester Piccadilly and back on a cloudy day


Timetable:
Here is the May 2019 Working Timetable for this route:
2019-05 WTT CL | Network Rail Corporate Archive
(You are interested in section CL02 for this route)

Layers:


The British Rail Class 158 'Express Sprinter' (MML) for AI layers on the Norwich-Liverpool services between Ordsall Lane Jn and Manchester Piccadilly and between Edge Hill and Liverpool Lime Street




The British Rail Class 323 'Hyper Networker' (MGP) for AI layers at Manchester Piccadilly and for substitution on Class 331 operated services




The British Rail Class 66 'Shed' (SEHS/ECML) for freight services and Autumn RHTT services along the route


Stations & POI on Page 3...

 

Page 3:

(Principal) Stations:

Manchester Piccadilly:


Manchester Piccadilly is the principal railway station in Manchester, England. Opened as Store Street in 1842, it was renamed Manchester London Road in 1847 and became Manchester Piccadilly in 1960. Located to the south-east of Manchester city centre, it hosts long-distance intercity and cross-country services to national destinations including London, Birmingham, Nottingham, Glasgow, Edinburgh, Cardiff, Bristol, Exeter, Plymouth, Reading, Southampton and Bournemouth; regional services to destinations in Northern England including Liverpool, Leeds, Sheffield, Newcastle and York; and local commuter services around Greater Manchester. It is one of 19 major stations managed by Network Rail. The station has 14 platforms: 12 terminal and two through platforms (numbers 13 and 14). Piccadilly is also a major interchange with the Metrolink light rail system with two tram platforms in its undercroft.

Manchester Oxford Road:


Manchester Oxford Road railway station is a railway station in Manchester, England, at the junction of Whitworth Street West and Oxford Street. It opened in 1849 and was rebuilt in 1960. It is the second busiest of the four stations in Manchester city centre. The station serves the southern part of Manchester city centre, the University of Manchester and Manchester Metropolitan University, on the line from Manchester Piccadilly westwards towards Warrington, Chester, Llandudno, Liverpool, Preston and Blackpool. Eastbound trains go beyond Piccadilly to Crewe, Leeds, Sheffield, Nottingham, Peterborough and Norwich. The station consists of four through platforms and one terminating bay platform.

Manchester Victoria:


Manchester Victoria station in Manchester, England, is a combined mainline railway station and Metrolink tram stop. Situated to the north of the city centre on Hunts Bank, close to Manchester Cathedral, it adjoins Manchester Arena which was constructed on part of the former station site in the 1990s. Opened in 1844 and part of the Manchester station group, Victoria is Manchester's third busiest railway station after Piccadilly and Oxford Road and the second busiest station managed by Northern after Oxford Road. The station hosts local and regional services to destinations in Northern England, such as Blackburn, Rochdale, Bradford, Leeds, Newcastle, Huddersfield, Halifax, Wigan, Southport, Blackpool (Sundays only) and Liverpool using the original Liverpool to Manchester line. Most trains calling at Victoria are operated by Northern. TransPennine Express services call at the station from Liverpool to Newcastle/Scarborough and services towards Manchester Airport (via the Ordsall Chord) from Middlesbrough/Redcar/Newcastle.

Lea Green:


Lea Green railway station is in St Helens, Merseyside, England, three miles south of the town centre near the suburb of Clock Face. The station is on the electrified northern route of the two Liverpool to Manchester lines, 10+3⁄4 miles (17 km) east of Liverpool Lime Street. Northern Trains operates the station with Merseytravel sponsorship displaying Merseytravel signs. Constructed in 2000, the station has a park and ride car park fitted with charging points for electrically-powered vehicles, a modern CCTV security system and a booking office at street level.

Newton-le-Willows:


Newton-le-Willows railway station is a railway station in the town of Newton-le-Willows, in the Metropolitan Borough of St Helens, and at the edge of the Merseytravel region (16+1⁄4 miles (26.2 km) from Liverpool Lime Street). The station is branded Merseyrail. The station is situated on the northern route of the Liverpool to Manchester Line, the former Liverpool and Manchester Railway which opened in 1830. It is a busy feeder station for nearby towns which no longer have railway stations, such as Golborne, Billinge and Haydock. There is also a complimentary bus shuttle service to Haydock Park Racecourse on certain racedays.

Liverpool Lime Street:


Liverpool Lime Street is a terminus railway station and the main station serving the city centre of Liverpool. Opened in August 1836, it is the oldest still-operating grand terminus mainline station in the world. A branch of the West Coast Main Line from London Euston terminates at the station, as does the original Liverpool and Manchester Railway. Journeys from Lime Street cover a wide range of destinations across England, Scotland and Wales.

Points of Interest (POI):
Ordsall Chord:


Ordsall Chord, also known as the Castlefield Curve, is a short railway line in Ordsall, Salford, England, which links Manchester Piccadilly and Manchester Oxford Road to Manchester Victoria, designed to increase capacity and reduce journey times into and through Manchester. It allows trains to run from Leeds, Newcastle and Redcar Central direct to Manchester Airport.

Chat Moss:


Chat Moss is a large area of peat bog that makes up part of the City of Salford, Metropolitan Borough of Wigan and Trafford in Greater Manchester, England. It also makes up part of Metropolitan Borough of St Helens in Merseyside and Warrington in Cheshire. North of the Manchester Ship Canal and River Mersey, 5 miles (8 km) to the west of Manchester, it occupies an area of about 10.6 square miles (27.5 km2).

Edge Hill Depot:


There is also a carriage servicing depot just to the east of the junction on the line towards Mossley Hill which is used by Alstom to maintain train operator Avanti West Coast's Pendolino fleet and TransPennine Express Class 802s also use the site for overnight stabling.


I hope you have enjoyed this one, put your thoughts down below as always, I've been TrainGeek08, enjoy the rest of your day and I'll see you next time, goodbye

 

Oohhh would love to see this

 

Maybe Alan Thomson Simulation (ATS) can make this route for TSW as they made it for TSC

 

Lovely

 

Good suggestion, though could you clarify what Chat-Moss is.

 

It is covered in the Points of Interest section unless you want more information?

 

I also made this suggestion

 

The more it gets suggested, hopefully that tells DTG that it is a route that is needed in game

 

Yes! Yes! Yes! Love this suggestion!

 

Thanks mate, glad you enjoyed this one

 

Excellent suggestion overall I wonder if this is the ATS route mentioned in the road map or their other TSC route requested into TSW 4 Fen Line. This is a TSC route made by ATS and is requested in game.

 

Thanks, I do wonder what Alan and the team have in store for us as well sometimes

I have just realised... my last two suggestions have been ATS routes on TSC, such a coincidence

 

I really do hope one of them is part of the ats Leeds lines from tsc

 

Hopefully that's something ATS are willing to develop for TSW, such a great and well-thought out route

 

indeed

 

We need this!

 

I definitely agree on that mate , we need a modern Liverpool Lime Street and Manchester Victoria in game

 

Why not also include the line to Manchester Airport as it would feel more complete.

 

You could do that instead of ending the route at Piccadilly

 

I feel this is one of those routes where it's a matter of when it will be in game rather than if. A very good suggestion which I would certainly like to see come to game. Brilliant!

 

Yeah I agree mate, it's one of those routes which would look fantastic in TSW4 and would make sense as well

 

Could also get metrolink ai around manchester

 

Potential Mastery reward?

 

Oh yes

 

If Chat Moss were to be added I would hope TSW is able to simulate the 'bounciness' of the track built over the bog.

 

Let's wait and see if they are bringing this one or the Fen Line from TSC into TSW 4.

 

That would be a cool feature to add as you are going over the bog itself

 

Hopefully it is one of those two routes as those are very popular ATS routes on TSC

 

I do hope so!

 

Would that feature not come automatically with the new suspension physics?

 

Oh maybe, it could work under haptics