Chiltern Railways: Marylebone-leamington Spa

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  1. karan#5946

    karan#5946 Well-Known Member

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    Hi guys today I’m gonna be suggesting the Chiltern Main line between London Marylebone and Leamington Spa.
    The trains included will be the Class 68, DVT,
    168 and the MK3 Carriages.
    Let’s have a look at the 68 first.
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    This locomotive is the Class 68.
    The Class 68 is a type of mainline mixed traffic diesel-electric locomotive manufactured by Stadler Rail (and previously by Vossloh España) for Direct Rail Services (DRS) in the United Kingdom. The design is derived from the Stadler Eurolight, and Stadler's product name for this variant is the UKLight.
    Type and origin
    Power type
    Diesel-electric
    Builder
    Model Stadler UKLight[1]
    Build date 2013–2017
    Total produced 34
    Specifications
    Configuration:
    UIC
    Bo′Bo′
    • Commonwealth Bo-Bo
    Gauge 1,435 mm (4 ft 8+1⁄2 in) standard gauge
    Wheel diameter 1,100 mm (3 ft 7+1⁄3 in)
    Loco weight approximately 85 t (84 long tons; 94 short tons)[2]
    Fuel type diesel
    Fuel capacity 5,000 L (1,100 imp gal; 1,300 US gal)
    Prime mover Caterpillar C175-16[3]
    Traction motors Four ABB 4FRA6063 (600 kW)
    MU working
    Train heating Electric,
    HEP inverter up to 500 kW (ETH index 96[5])
    Loco brake Blended: Rheostatic braking (2,100 kW); electropneumatic.[2]
    Performance figures
    Maximum speed
    100 mph (160 km/h)
    Power output 3,800 hp (2,800 kW) at 1,740 rpm
    Tractive effort 317 kN (71,000 lbf)
    Career
    Operators

    Numbers 68001–68034
    Official name UKLight
    Axle load class RA 7[4]
    Delivered 2014
    First run 2014
    Current owner Beacon Rail.
    On 5 January 2012, DRS announced the placement of an order for fifteen Class 68 locomotives, the first of which arriving in the UK during January 2014. The first batch of Class 68s was quickly followed by a second batch, also intended for DRS and the first to be built by Stadler; the delivery of these units was completed during April 2016. A third batch of Class 68s was also ordered, deliveries of which were completed during July 2017. The Class 68 has since been followed by two related locomotives, the Class 88 and Class 93.

    Since its introduction in 2014, the Class 68 has been used on numerous passenger and freight operations, including DRS's nuclear flask trains. In addition to DRS's freight operations, the operator has also used the type to haul various charter trains. Several units have been subleasedto other operators, including Chiltern Railways, Abellio ScotRail, and TransPennine Express, for passenger services, hauling various rakes of carriages to do so, in some cases being outfitted with Association of American Railroads (AAR) push-pull apparatus.
    This train are on many other passenger railways aswell.
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    This is the driver cab of the Class 68.
    It’s abit similar to the 700 driver cab aswell but it’s mostly coloured black.
    This trains are on Chiltern Railways and Transpennine Express.
    These trains are leaving TPE following the December timetable change.
    But they will still run on Chiltern Railways.
    A Class 68 has been test runned a couple of weeks ago on the Southern Ashford International platform.
    Lets have a look at the DVT.
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    This train is called the DVT known as the Class 82.
    When there’s a Class 68 service this train will be connected at the front or the back for a journey.
    A Driving Van Trailer (DVT) is a British purpose-built control car railway vehicle that allows the driver to operate with a locomotive in push-pullformation from the opposite end of a train. A key benefit of operating trains with DVTs is the requirement for fewer locomotives; for example, a second locomotive would otherwise have to join at the other end of the train after arrival at terminal stations to lead the train's onward journey.

    In service 1989 – present
    Manufacturer Mark 3: British Rail Engineering Limited
    Mark 4: Metro-Cammell
    Family name
    Constructed 1988 - 1990
    Number built
    • Mark 3: 52
    • Mark 4: 32
    Number in service
    • Mark 3: 8
    • Mark 4: 23
    Number preserved
    • Mark 3: 7
    • Mark 4: 0
    Number scrapped
    • Mark 3: 20
    • Mark 4: 7
    Fleet numbers
    • 82101–82152
    • 82200–82231
    Operator(s)
    Specifications
    Car length
    18.83 m (61 ft 9 in)
    Width 2.71 m (8 ft 11 in)
    Height 3.88 m (12 ft 9 in)
    Maximum speed 125 mph (201 km/h) (Mark 3)
    140 mph (225 km/h) (Mark 4)
    Weight 43.7 t (43.0 long tons; 48.2 short tons)
    Braking system(s) Air
    Track gauge 1,435 mm (4 ft 8+1⁄2 in) standard gauge
    Unlike many other control cars, DVTs resemble locomotives, specifically Class 90 for the 82/1 mark 3 series and Class 91 for the 82/2 mark 4 series; thus when the train is operating in push mode, it does not appear to be travelling backwards. The vehicles do not have any passenger accommodation due to health and safety rules in place at the time of construction that prohibited passengers in the leading carriages of trains that run faster than 100 miles per hour (160 km/h).[citation needed] Historically, it was believed that a train would be unstable at high speeds unless pulled from the front; however, extensive testing and the experience of high speed trains with central power cars, such as the British Rail APT and the Eurostar, have since altered this view.
    These trains are actually named the Driving Van Trailer.
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    This is the driver cab of the DVT/82.
    It’s layed out like the HST but there are some changes made to it.
     
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  2. karan#5946

    karan#5946 Well-Known Member

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    Now let’s look at the Class 168.
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    There are actually 2 differences on the Class 168.
    The front looks like the 165/166 but the front looks like a turbostar train.
    The Class 168 Clubman is a British diesel multiple unit (DMU) passenger train used on Chiltern Line services between London Marylebone and the West Midlands. The trains were built by Adtranz at the Derby Litchurch Lane Works in several batches from 1998.
    In service 20 May 1998 – present
    Manufacturer
    Built at Derby Litchurch Lane Works
    Family name Clubman / Turbostar
    Constructed 1998–2004
    Refurbished 2007–2008[1]
    Number built 19 (plus 9 converted from Cl. 170/3)
    Formation
    • 4 cars per 168/0 unit:
      DMSL(W)-MSL-MS-DMSL
    • 3 or 4 cars per 168/1 unit:
      DMSL(W)-MS-DMSL
      DMSL(W)-MSL-MS-DMSL
    • 3 or 4 cars per 168/2 unit:
      DMSL(W)-MS-DMSL(W)
      DMSL(W)-MS-MS-DMSL(W)
    • 2 cars per 168/3 unit:
      DMSL(W)-DMSL[2]
    Fleet numbers
    • 168/0: 168001–168005
    • 168/1: 168106–168113
    • 168/2: 168214–168219
    • 168/3: 168321–168329
    Capacity
    • 3-car: 204 seats
    • 4-car: 272 seats
    Owner(s)
    Operator(s) Chiltern Railways
    Line(s) served
    Specifications
    Car body construction
    Welded aluminium, with steel body ends[5]
    Car length
    • 168/0 DM vehicles:
      24.10 m (79 ft 1 in)
    • Other DM vehicles:
      23.62 m (77 ft 6 in)
    • Intermediate vehicles:
      23.61 m (77 ft 6 in)
    Width 2.69 m (8 ft 10 in)
    Height 3.77 m (12 ft 4 in)
    Doors Double-leaf sliding plug (2 per side per car)
    Maximum speed 100 mph (160 km/h)
    Prime mover(s)
    • All units except 168329:
      2–4 × MTU6R 183 TD 13H[6]
    • Unit 168329:
      2 × MTU 6H 1800 R76[7][8]
    • (all one per car)
    Engine type
    Displacement
    • 6R 183: 13 L (790 cu in)[citation needed]
    • 6H 1800: 12.81 L (782 cu in)[8]
    • (all per engine)
    Power output 315 kW (422 hp) per engine[9][8]
    Transmission
    Acceleration 0.5 m/s2 (1.6 ft/s2)[3]
    Bogies
    • Adtranz/Bombardier
    • Powered: P3-23
    • Unpowered: T3-23
    Braking system(s) Electro-pneumatic(disc)
    Safety system(s)
    Coupling system BSI[13]
    Multiple working Within class, and with Class 165[14]
    Track gauge 1,435 mm (4 ft 8+1⁄2 in) standard gauge
    The first batch was classified 168/0 under TOPSand resembled the Class 165 units previously built by BREL York. The Networker-design cab was an interim solution pending the design of a completely new cab for further Turbostar batches. Subsequent builds, subclassed as 168/1 and 168/2, were constructed at the same time as the Class 170 Turbostar and thus are part of the Turbostar family of trains.

    The first batch of Clubman 168/0 carriages ordered by Chiltern Railways were the first units ordered by any train operating company since the privatisation of the UK industry in 1996. They were delivered as 3-car sets but later lengthened to 4-car sets.
    One unit has been converted to hybrid operation as of 2022.
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    This is the passenger interior of the Class 168.
    The seats are dark grey and the poles are coloured Blue as it matches with the railway its self.
     
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  3. karan#5946

    karan#5946 Well-Known Member

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    There are 2 different versions of the cab as both ends are different.
    The top picture is the turbostar version.
    The bottom one is the 165/166 version.
    What’s different is the power throttle and reverser.
     
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    These are the MK3 carriages that are connected to the DVT and the Class 68.
    The doors are not actually slam doors they are electric doors.
    The British Rail Mark 3 is a type of passenger carriage developed in response to growing competition from airlines and the car in the 1970s. A variant of the Mark 3 became the rolling stock for the High Speed Train (HST)

    In service 1975-present
    Manufacturer British Rail Engineering Limited
    Built at Derby Litchurch Lane Works
    Constructed 1975-1988
    Number built 848
    Number scrapped 300[needs update] [1]
    Capacity As originally built (typical):
    • First class: 48
    • Standard class: 74
    Operator(s) Chiltern Railways
    Great Western Railway
    Network Rail
    ScotRail
    The Royal Scotsman
    Royal Train
    Line(s) served Great Western Main Line
    Chiltern Main Line
    Highland Main Line
    Glasgow to Aberdeen Line
    Edinburgh to Aberdeen Line
    Specifications
    Car body construction
    Steel
    fully integral, monocoque
    Car length 23.0 m (75 ft 6 in)[2]
    Doors Hinged slam, centrally locked/automatic plug doors, centrally locked
    Maximum speed 125 mph (200 km/h)
    Power supply 3-phase 415/240 V (Mark 3)
    1,000 V DC (Mark 3A/B)
    Bogies BREL BT10
    Braking system(s) Disc, air operated
    Track gauge 1,435 mm (4 ft 8+1⁄2 in) standard gauge
    Originally conceived as locomotive-hauled coaching stock, the first coaches built were for the prototype HST in 1972. Production coaches entered service between 1975 and 1988, and multiple-unit designs based on the Mark 3 bodyshell continued to be built until the early 1990s. Most of the surviving fleet of the Mark 3 and its derivatives were still in revenue service on the British railway network in 2020, however, as of 7 April 2021, 300 carriages have been sent for scrap.
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    This is the interior of the MK3 Carriage.
    The seats are coloured like the ones in the 168 but there are curtains on the windows and there are tables on each seat.
     
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  5. elarthur

    elarthur Well-Known Member

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    A fantastic suggestion and one we see many times. However, DVT vehicles are not actually Class 82 (which was a AC Electric Locomotive) despite the numbering. They don't have a class due to being unpowered coaching stock and simply fall within the Mk3 family.
     
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    This is the route map from Leamington Spa to London Marylebone. The journey is around an hour and a half.
    The stations on this route are Leamington Spa, Banbury, Kings Sutton, Bicester North, Haddenham & Thame Parkway, Princes Risborough, Saundrton, High Wycombe, Beaconsfield, Seer Green & Jordans, Gerrards Cross, Denham Golf Club, Denham, West Ruislip, South Ruislip, Northolt Park, Sudbury Hill Harrow, Sudbury & Harrow Road, Wembley Stadium, and London Marylebone.
    There might be a potential DLC for this route.
    The Class 165.
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    This is the Class 165.
    The British Rail Class 165 Networker Turbo is a fleet of suburban diesel multiple unit passenger trains (DMUs), originally specified by and built for the British Rail Thames and Chiltern Division of Network SouthEast. They were built by BREL York Works between 1990 and 1992.[6] An express version was subsequently built in the form of the Class 166 Networker Turbo Expresstrains. Both classes are now sometimes referred to as "Networker Turbos", a name derived some three years later for the project that resulted in the visually similar Class 365 and Class 465 EMUs.
    In service 10 September 1991 – present
    Manufacturer British Rail Engineering Limited
    Built at Holgate Road Works, York
    Family name Networker Turbo
    Replaced
    Constructed 1990–1992
    Refurbished
    • 2003–2005 (165/0)
    • 2010–2012 (165/1)
    Number built 76
    (39 × 165/0, 37 × 165/1)
    Number in service 75
    Number scrapped 1
    Formation
    • 2-car units: DMCL-DMS
    • 3-car units: DMCL-MS-DMS
    Fleet numbers
    • 165/0: 165001–165039
    • 165/1: 165101–165137
    Capacity
    • 2-car units: 186 seats (16 first-, 170 standard-class)
    • 3-car units: 288 seats (24 first-, 264 standard-class)
    Owner(s) Angel Trains
    Operator(s)
    Line(s) served
    Specifications
    Car body construction
    Welded aluminium
    Car length
    • DM vehs.: 23.50 m (77 ft 1 in)
    • MS vehs.: 23.25 m (76 ft 3 in)
    Width 2.81 m (9 ft 3 in)
    Height 3.79 m (12 ft 5 in)[1]
    Doors Double-leaf sliding plug (2 per side per car)
    Maximum speed
    • 165/0: 75 mph (121 km/h)[1]
    • 165/1: 90 mph (145 km/h)
    Axle load Route Availability 1
    Prime mover(s) 2 or 3 × Perkins 2006 TW-H (one per vehicle)
    Engine type Inline-6 4-stroke turbo-diesel[2]
    Displacement 12.2 L (742.64 cu in)[2]per engine
    Power output 260 kW (350 hp) per engine
    Transmission Voith T 211 rz (hydrokinetic, one per vehicle)
    UIC classification
    • 2-car: 2′B′+B′2′
    • 3-car: 2′B′+2′B′+B′2′
    Bogies
    • Powered: BREL P3-17
    • Unpowered: BREL T3-17
    Braking system(s) Electro-pneumatic(disc)
    Safety system(s)
    Coupling system BSI[3]
    Multiple working Within class, and with Classes 166 and 168[4]
    Track gauge 1,435 mm (4 ft 8+1⁄2 in) standard gauge
    The class is still in service, now operated by Great Western Railway and by Chiltern Railways. When operated originally by Network SouthEast, along with that operator's Class 166 trains, the Paddington suburban units were initially known as Thames Turbos, while the units operated on the Marylebone suburban network were known as Chiltern Turbos.
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    This is the passenger interior of the Class 165.
    The seats are dark blue and light blue, the interior is actually Ex First Great Western as these units were delivered from FGW/GWR.
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    This is the driver cab of the Class 165.
    Its layed out like the 166 as they were both the same but the 165 was 1 carriage shorter.
    let’s look at the routes for each train.
    There will be a Class 68 and DVT route from Marylebone to Birmingham Moor Street but you will go as far as Leamington Spa as limited stop.
    There would be 168 routes from Marylebone to Birmingham Snow Hill but as far as Leamington Spa but will call at additional stops.
    There will be another 168 route from Marylebone to Oxford but as far as Haddenham & Thame Parkway.
    The 165 route will be the Marylebone to Oxford as far as Princes Risborough.
     
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    karan#5946 Well-Known Member

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    Well guys that’s the end of the suggestion.
    Make sure to put your thoughts below.
     
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    jack#9468 Well-Known Member

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    Yes please.

    Sound achievable enough, decent length, decent rolling stock.

    Opportunity for the Princes Risborough heritage railway as well (either as DLC or AI).
     
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    karan#5946 Well-Known Member

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    That actually sounds like a good idea for the route
     
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    Would love to see this route in TSW 4 for the simple reason it runs through my hometown of Banbury, I have the JT version of the route for TS Classic which goes the whole route from London to Birmingham, maybe this would be a project for JT as they would already have a lot of the route information.
     
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    Correct and for JT they need to make it like their Blackpool route which is taking time not to rush it. As a bonus maybe throw in the 7F here like TSC which has a steam locomotive.
     

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