The class 800 is a bi mode multiple unit built by Hitachi. It is used by Great Western Railway and London North Eastern Railways, operating on the Great Western Main Line and East Coast Mainline. Difference from the 801 tends to stem from the size of the diesel engines used to carry them over long distances of un electrified lines on the GWML and ECML whereas the diesel engines on the 801 are used for emergency situations. The class 802 is a bi mode multiple unit built by Hitachi. It is used by GWR, Hull Trains and Transpennine Express with the difference from the 800 being the larger fuel tanks and engines which enable them to tackle harsher gradients and prolonged periods running diesel model over longer distances. Typically, they’re run in 5 car formations. The basic model for the class 802 and 800 exists in game with some differences but it does seem a waste not to expand on them. Guaranteed, it’ll require work for the sound, physics, among with many other things but the potential for these locos to be used on the likes of lines such as ECML, Fife Circle and GWML. They’re one of the most common trains on the British Railway at present and growing evermore in variations and will present a better reflection of the railway today. I propose that they’re released in the LNER livery and Transpennine Express livery - LNER is already available and Transpennine Express is under operator of last resort which I believe makes licensing somewhat easier. Wonder if Hull Trains could be a possibility? No picture I’m afraid, and I’d be somewhat shocked if you don’t know what the class 800 typically looks like
Well, we already have the 801. Shouldn't be too much work to modify it into an 800, 802 or 803. Newcastle to Edinburgh would be a good shout for this.
Agreed. Think it was abit of an open goal by not including this in the first place given the shared interior and exterior and would’ve need not a massive amount of rework. Would be a good loco pack to release and if the likes of Hull Trains and Lumo’s licensing can be given, would really add some nice layers and services to the ECML, Fife Circle and Glasgow - Edinburgh.
As a long shot, I’d definitely like to see the 810 included as they seem to be quite interesting trains and look very different from the typical 800 line up. Though I do know that’ll require EMR licensing which EMR aren’t very generous about at the moment.
Unfortunately I believe Hull trains will not grant the license to DTG. First was already present on HSTs in GWE, then removed with TSW2. The license is no longer held by the developers, so no more GWR, Hull Trains and First. Could we hope for Lumo?
IIRC the engine mapping on 80x is complex with a lot of power settings done by GPS - for example an 800 on GWR will run at 750hp hp - but west of Newbury on a Westcountry service, or if line speed is over 100mph they'll boost to 980hp to match an 802 - they also have a Dawlish mode between Exeter and Newton Abbot which will attempt Auto Restarts on a shutdown engine. Even though they have the same Rolls Royce engines and same hp, a Boosted 800 and an 802 have different acceleration curves because of the way the engine management is set up on the power by the hour 800 and leased 802 LNER sets run at 750hp, so I understand they top out around 100mph on diesel* and also have the standard short range tanks while GWR fitted their fleet with long range tanks *All of LNER's non electrified sections are <100mph, while GWR have sections of 125mph on diesel
There is some diesel running, usually when a unit has had work done on the AC system at Swansea or Long Rock it's not allowed to do AC until it's visited Stoke Gifford or North Pole for AC Testing and sign off - Generally it will be put on a duty to ensure that it will overnight at one of those depots
(not my photo) I would've purchased the Fife-Circle-Line by now if the Class 800 came with Doncaster-Peterborough, come on DTG!!!
I think that the 800 can still be a possibility for DTG to do as a dlc for ECML. I actually think at this current stage, there are more 801's which could potentially give DTG an opportunity to make this a dlc
No, not a DLC. Why make something so ridiculously similar a new-paid-DLC (presumably) for £13??? Even the normies would be outraged. It should have been included in Doncaster-Peterborough in the first place.
Far better giving us a Class 91, Mark 4's and DVT's IMHO rather than a slightly different version of what is already in the game. And whichever way you cut it, the Hitachi IET's are a pretty awful replacement for the trains which preceded them, certainly in terms of passenger comfort. Who wants to spend 5 hours travelling from Paddington to Penzance sitting on something with the comfort level of a tilted up ironing board - even on the alternative seat design that some of the GWT stock got!
Bring it on to the game however a drawback of these units is that on diesel power you might take a bit while to accelerate to top speed not the case of electric mode. Same is said for its PZB90 equipped equivalents DB Baureihe 248/249/159 United States positive train control ALP-45DP
A class 80X expansion pack would possibly be worth it if priced at roughly £5-10 I'd say. A class 800 would fit in with the ECML, and could be used as a layer on other possible routes. If priced too high it wouldn't be worth it as the 801 is almost entirely identical apart from the diesel engines.
Depends how many variants the expansion pack included. AFAIK, these are the variants, and routes they are used on/could be used on in the future/layered on that are already in game (but not necessarily the same time period). I've just looked at class type, not operator here: 800 - PDB, GWE, FCL, EDN, GCC 801 - PDB, FCL, EDN, GCC 802 - GWE, FCL, EDN, GCC 803 - PDB, FCL, EDN, GCC 805 - BCC, Glossop 807 - BCC, Glossop 810 - MML Lots of trains and routes here, so apologies if any mistakes. As pointed out by jack#9468 a TPE 802 would be a good one to include. Could be included as AI at Man Pic on Glossop (https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:C42574/2024-07-25/detailed#allox_id=0, https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:C42812/2024-07-25/detailed#allox_id=0 https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:N25231/2024-07-25/detailed#allox_id=0), as AI at EDB, and would be perfect for a new route - perhaps York - > Newcastle where we would also have the 801. I do think in general DTG should prioritise routes that could have lots of layers added, or layer onto other things - same with loco DLCs. Would make the routes busier, provided they continue to remaster timetables. I liked what DTG Matt mentioned in the July roadmap about looking into allowing custom timetables on console. https://forums.dovetailgames.com/threads/guide-on-route-acronyms.56183/
