Discussion in 'Suggestions' started by Challenger3985, Sep 29, 2020.
3rd Party though so it doesn't count.
I don't see why that matters considering no one ever said that third parties can't make content for Clinchfield. Also the only reason they'd have a hard cap on content if if there was technical reason behind it, something that third parties would surely also have to deal with.
I don't see anyone doing anything anytime soon.
TSG will most likely stick to German Content
Rivet Games will most likely not do any US content
Skyhook Games doesn't seem like the studio to make US locomotives (They really only done routes and some asset modeling)
And none of the US 3rd Party Devs for TS21 will make the jump to TSW2.
I think it‘s really interesting that there seems to be such a high interest in switchers. The GP38 and SD45 not being very popular probably doesn‘t surprise anyone here. We‘ve already got enough GP38s (even if we‘ve only got dash 2s) and the SD45 is very similar to the SD40.
I thought the U36C and the GP7 were no brainers. GP7 would be the first high hood loco and seeing how many people wanted the standard cab C40 instead of the safety cab for SPG, I thought the U36C would be more popular as a suggestion than it would seem. Very interesting.
I think my priority would be to have a switcher and some additional van types for variety. I have no real knowledge of US railroading and I am happy with anything that looks worn and produces nice diesel sounds.
So waking up this morning (US eastern time) and I'm seeing so far in the poll that the Switchers, the GP7, and the U36C being in the top leads right now. Of course, the reason why I put in the others is that I would like to see a little more diversity in services other than the main package of the route like they did with the GP40 or Dash 8 on Sandpatch. Wouldn't care less if the SD45 is similar to the SD40, at least I would have the opportunity to dive either one on the line (but that's me since I would enjoy both the U36C and the SD45-2 on the mainline if lucky).
Well if that's the case (going off-topic on this one), then me fear may happen sooner than expected if DTG is the only team to be making US content. But as I said before, this thread is for anyone that can create them if possible. Not just DTG making them (but I hate to see how their Partner Program is doing nowadays).
So let's hope someone in the US would make US content for TSW. Otherwise, the US side of it isn't gonna hold up for much longer and just gonna leave it at that.
Keep in mind the NW2 and SW7 are more unique choices in the context of train sim, switchers haven't been done very often, and when they are they don't tend to have a ton of services.
All of Clinchfield's SD45-2s were delivered well after the timeframe depicted, and in Family Lines paint; they never wore CRR livery. So that may be a strike against them.
And if I recall on the period they chose:
Need I say more.
I think you confused the SD40-2 with the SD45-2.
CRR had SD45-2s delivered in '72 and '74 in Black and yellow paint.
They even survived into the CSX era in that paint.
The SD40-2s were delivered in the Family Lines Paint in 1980 and '81.
Yes, you're right, I confused the two Dash-2s. (Not that they're really, really similar or anything...)
But now I'm confused about DTG claiming the timeframe is "late 70s-early 80s," since by then the few F7s still remaining were relegated to yard and local work,* and the CRR was full of Family-Lines painted locos. I had thought this was circa 1971, the final days of CRR being able to paint its own engines, and more importantly when the F7s were still riding the high iron.
*Except 800, which pulled railtours
Very good point. I prefer mainline runs to switching, but especially the Br 363 DLC showed me how fun switching can be if it's well done. And the switchers would be more unique than either the GP7 or U36C in the context of TSW2, especially considering that NEC wasn't preserved.
Poll should have an all of the above option.
The SD40 are these they high hood ones?
Well, many people here aren't like Matt, where he likes all the trains on all the routes (no offense there ). Everyone has their own choice (like opinions) on which loco they want to drive more so than others. Plus, this route would have at least one (or two) loco add-ons that people would highly like to see from the roster so far. Which right now looks like both the EMD Switchers and the Universal (U36C) are on the top poll.
Not sure what you mean, since all the SD40s, even Clinchfield, are mainly low nose hoods (except for N&W and SOU, they did have their SD40s high hooded):
Nathan, I suspect you're thinking of Clinchfield's numerous GP7s, because they were all high-nose. EMD first offered the low short hood as an option in 1956, on the GP9.
Challenger3985: Southern was so hardcore that when it bought the original Norfolk Southern in the 70s and acquired a number of low-nose GP18s, it sent them to the shop and had the noses raised!
Switchers would be cool.
GE U36C because it can be used for this route then reskin into a CSX 7300s for Sand Patch Grade that is if the community wanted a 1980s version of Sand Patch Grade. Complete with some of the locomotives here since CSX railroad it's actually of made up of Seaboard Lines Clinchfield and the Baltimore and Ohio Chessie railroad system.
So with Clinchfield out now, we can bring this topic back up now and I can see about 3 locos being made for this route....
The GP7 can do short runs on the line, and do pickups or loading coal on the mainline tipples that are along the line (As none are used in any timetable service mode ATM). They can also sub for an F7 on any service, as they have the same amount of Horsepower as the F7. (1,500HP) Also the High Hood would be the 1st of its kind in TSW2. Also if the non-DB equipped ones were included, it would add to the challenge of the route, as one would have to rely on their auto brake to control speed on grades, and not a dynamic brake.
CRR #900-#911,916,919 are not equipped with D/B
CRR #912-#915 are equipped with D/B's
The U36C could be subbed into the mainline trains on the route, it would also add in more variety to the manifest trains, as a new piece of rolling stock can come with the loco. Their extra power could also help on the heavier coal trains as well. However, I have no clue what new services the U36C can add.
The Switchers would be permanently assigned to the yards in Elkhorn City and Dante, their timetable assignments could be moving inbound coal trains from the tipples for processing at Moss or export out of the map. Interesting to note, CRR 360 was known to be assigned to the area, and a few photos exist of it working in Dante, wearing its former owner Apalachicola Northern paint: http://csxthsociety.org/railfanning/crrdante-stpaulva.html
-As for the other 2....
The SD45-2 wouldn't really add much variety to the route, it would be equipped with the same spartan cab as an SD40-2, and would only add more HP to the route, which can already be achieved by the U36C, which would be more unique vs the SD45-2.
I'm pretty sure we've have had enough GP38's for now, we don't need another.
Alright, not to argue here (but it had to be said and done) but why does it sound like you're against the SD45-2 for Clinchfield.
I mean, there aren't that many from other roads that use them in quantity (from both EL & SCL). Except for ATSF, but we know that ain't happening for TSW2 anytime soon. And to add, all spartan cab designs are pretty much the same anyways (even the Dash 2 upgrade) whether they're modified in the slightest.
So, it wouldn't matter either way as it would still be unique to have for TSW2 along with the U36C, gameplay or not.
In an ideal situation, I would like to see both come to TSW2, but with DTG already using a U36C for the TS21 version of the route, I see it more likely that they would pick the U36C over the SD45-2, though development time would suggest that the SD45-2 would be easier to recreate for TSW2 (Using the CSX SD40-2 as a base).
Also the polls suggest that more people would want to see a U36C over an SD45-2.
Here's a out of the box idea shunter/switcher the haysi f7b,but i would really prefer a emd gp7 high nose.
Point taken actually. Guess it would depend on which would be the quickest way for the devs to make a loco (depending on time and resources in their schedule) as they did from the others so far.
Might be debatable from the Dev's end (probably). Since I made it to see which locomotives people would like to see in TSW2 for this route (not in terms of gameplay or such).
So, well see what's the future of Clinchfield holds for the very first loco add-on, as Matt has said in some of his posts that there's no add-on planned at the moment. So would likely be either a next year thing or later this year (if it's not on the roadmap by the end of this year) for sure.
I think CRR is quite likely to receive a loco dlc as I can't see any other American route getting one at the moment.
I'd love to see the GP7, because there's currently only 1 coal loading service and loading coal by the mainline sounds pretty interesting.
On the other hand, the U36C would be perfect to add one or two more manifest trains with new freight cars during the day.
Feel the U36C is most likely.
Well now that its out we know its the 75/76 timeframe. Guess its early enough the F7s still make sense, but late enough they could add some family lines paint schemes if they wanted to.
I'm not sure that it would add much in the way of gameplay, since all it could do would be to sub for the SD40 on mainline runs, or at most add a couple of new ones (and mainline runs are all pretty much the same).
Whereas a Geep would have all sorts of options, shunting, loading, banking....
Admittedly a Geep would be the other best option.
Looking back at the polls, I'm surprised people are more interested in the U36C over the GP7....
Norfolk Southern in the 70s used to be called Norfolk and Western. Same with CSX which would have been called Clinchfield Railroad Seaboard Lines Chessie System Baltimore Ohio & C & O.
He was talking about the original Norfolk Southern Railway, which lasted from 1942 to 1982....
Thank you for telling me about it because most of the American railway magazines never mentioned that instead they talk about Norfolk and Western Railroad merging with Southern Railroad to form the current Norfolk and Southern.
Yeah, didn't know about it either till I've seen Norfolk Southern's Heritage unit for the Norfolk Southern Railway.
I'd honestly like to see the reaction of someone who doesn't know about the older Norfolk Southern whenever they see Norfolk Southern's Norfolk Southern heritage unit. ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
Especially now playing Clinchfield, I'd love to see more locos for it. I know I've said this before, but what I would hope to see for Loco DLCs would be a bundle of the GP-38 (as presumably it would be less work than a whole new loco seeing as we have UP and CSX -2s) and the GP7 since they have similar roles, with a freight car or two (kind of like the heavy freight pack for Tans-Penine), followed by a U-36C DLC as a new line loco, since that seems most different from the other American freight engines. I'm sure the SD-45 has it's own unique factors, but that seems more similar to the SD-40 and GP-38s we already have compared to the U-Boat.
what about a challenger as they used to own all of ex rio grande challengers and had one pull the CSX Santa train.
My thoughts exactly! Would love to see this.
Not until steam comes out, which may be years away
I know, but why can't they just recycle the steam physics of Train Sim?
You can't just copy and paste physics data and the like from game engine to game engine, coding is an arcane and finicky thing.
It's gonna be a while for steam to be implemented into TSW and even longer for American steam loco to be made. Plus, all the Clinchfield challengers were all scraped by this point and the one for Santa Train your talking about was THE Challenger (UP 3985) that pull it in '92.
Sorry to say, but this is a Diesel zone I'm afraid since it fits the period of this route quite nicely in TSW2 before CRR was gone. And I'm not sure the Santa Train would be a good idea for a pack anyways (especially when trying to recreate it from scratch).
So it's best not to talk about steam in this thread people (just staying on-topic that's all). It's too early to talk about it for sure.
I'd love to see some NW2 action. I was just talking about how I felt switchers should be a good choice. You have the f7 for mainline duties. You have the SD40 as a good "medium duty" for slightly shorter consists or doing short legs of a trip. And if they add in one switcher (with some decent timetable variety) then I feel the route will have a more holistic feel to it.
Given the lack of switching services on the route, I imagine they are at least considering adding a switcher
a GP-7/9 would be a good middle ground.
7 far more likely. CRR didn't buy many 9s.
Also the SD-40s is definitely the heavier duty locomotive than the F7 IMO.
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