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  1. DTG Natster

    DTG Natster Producer Staff Member

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    Hey Folks,

    I will be updating the Tutorials, Guides & Helpful Information section next week with a selection of items posted in here.

    Just wanted to say what you're all sharing in here is wonderful, and please keep it up.
     
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  2. cActUsjUiCe

    cActUsjUiCe Developer

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    I wrote this guide for Boston to Providence a while ago for an American signaling stream that Matt was going to do. It's been a while and I'd rather just get it out there now so people can get some use out of it.

    It's a thorough look into Wayside Signals, Cab Signals, Automatic Train Control (ATC), and Advanced Civil Speed Enforcement System (ACSES). Enjoy!
     

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  3. solicitr

    solicitr Well-Known Member

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    A very nice guide; however, the signal diagrams don't distinguish between steady and flashing lights
     
  4. cActUsjUiCe

    cActUsjUiCe Developer

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    Look closely at the photos. You'll see the flashing symbols around the light. Tough to see on a small screen, hence why I recommend zooming in
     
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    solicitr Well-Known Member

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    Ah. Yes, I see.
     
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  6. paul.pavlinovich

    paul.pavlinovich Well-Known Member

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    Wish I had that when I did my tutorial on ATCS and ACSES - I went on a magical discovery tour through various training manuals :).
     
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  7. Anthony Pecoraro

    Anthony Pecoraro Well-Known Member

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    Would you ever be able to do a live stream to show everyone how to realistically operate on this route?
     
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  8. cActUsjUiCe

    cActUsjUiCe Developer

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    I have done that before I believe but I'm open to doing one again. It's just weird doing one when the signals and safety systems aren't in a great state.
     
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    Lamplight Well-Known Member

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    That would be helpful, although obviously even better if everything was prototypical. Be that as it may, thank you for your written guide. It's very helpful!
     
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  11. solicitr

    solicitr Well-Known Member

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    In the section on US signals you say "There's signalling charts for several railroad operators on the internet, but in my experience they're hard to learn and I could never really find a logic in them."

    Well, the first is true, but I can help you find the logic. The basic idea in US speed-signaling systems derived from the old New York Central System is that position = speed. A standard interlocking signal will have three three-aspect heads. The allowed speed is indicated by the topmost signal that isn't red- ergo top = line speed, middle = medium (almost always 30), bottom = slow (15 or 20 depending on RR). To this has been added limited (45), indicated by flashing green.

    The devil unfortunately is in the details, and each individual RR has added complexities to a simple concept
     
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  12. Purno

    Purno Well-Known Member

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    yeah, I figured out that the lower the green light is, the more restrictive the signal is. And obviously a yellow light is more restrictive than a green light. I guess I could add that info the guide, but I don't know how useful it is, considering ...

    ... the actual speed restrictions seem to differ on each railroad. There is no standard I could add to my guide, right?

    And then, that's just the green-red-red, red-green-red, red-red-green and yellow-red-red, red-yellow-red, red-red-yellow signal aspects. That still leaves any signals with a combination of a green light and a yellow light that make little sense to me. Or at least, I haven't been able to discover a standard that applies to all US railroads.
     
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    solicitr Well-Known Member

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    I'm afraid that for your guide you wouldn't be able to do just one overarching "United States" guide. You could do one for Union Pacific, which would at least take care of three routes. A second, which included ACES/ATC, would cover the NEC and Sand Patch (which use the same system). LIRR unfortunately is pretty much its own thing (and doesn't work right now anyway)
     
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    I want to keep things at least a tad simple, or else I'd just be copying guides elsewhere on the internet and my guide wouldn't really add much. So I'm trying to find a balance. Explain the basics which should help people at least for the majority of cases, without going into too much specifics which only complicate stuff.
     
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    A useful workaround for those who want to play London Commuter without experiencing the endless red signal bugs.

    Always spawn on foot when starting a service as opposed to starting via the timetable select menu. Having completed more than 250 services on London Commuter to date, it's a shame to still see people unable to enjoy the route with endless red signals who don't know about spawning on foot.

    Hope this helps!

    EDIT: Now more than 515 services as of December 2022.
     
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  18. CowBoyWolf

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    Can just press the delete button instead
     
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    Doesn’t show up for some reason.
     
  20. bismark#7464

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    I am a completely new user of TSM 3. I was lost in terms of the very basic operation of the game, including how to just how to navigate around the game. After more than an hour in the training center, I am just able to move an engine. Is there any video that demonstrates the basic commands and the ability to move around in the TSM world. I watched many videos of various train routes and the driver is moving all over the place, in and out of the front cab, up and down the track, etc.

    I spent way too much time trying to just exist in the world. I found a list of about 200 commands to use in TSM and only learned less than 15 commands. I recognize most users are experienced and don't need this, but I sure do.
     
  21. lord everything

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    Is this useful? Not mine but it looks useful
     
  22. bismark#7464

    bismark#7464 New Member

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    I'm sorry, but this one assumes one knows how to navigate in the TSM world. I'm looking for something more basic so I can just move around the world, then I want to learn how to make the actual trains move, etc.
     
  23. solicitr

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    Moving on foot is pretty simple: WASD or the arrow keys (either works). Mouse to control direction. Shift key to walk (or, change the option to default to walk, then shift to run). Most locos require the E key to climb in- but there's a trick to that, you need to open the door first if it isn't already. L key gives you a flashlight at night.

    Be advised that in most places your movement is restricted by invisible walls to tracks and their immediate right-of-way, and limited movement around stations.
     
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  24. Gentoo87

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    New Driver here. Having some trouble on the MTA Harlem line, safety features on. The speed zone on the dashboard is not very well represented in the digital hud. Train registers some areas as 60mph zones but the digital hud says 45 or 30 in some areas, the actual train does not represent it.
     
  25. KodiakJac

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    At what speed should I be running the new Rail Treatment Train while cleaning the rails?

    I just watched a YouTube video of one operating in England, and it looked to be running about 10 mph. Is there an official speed for them to operate at?

    Thanks! :)
     
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    I believe it's 20-60mph, any slower and you risk damaging the tracks
     
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    Thank you!
     
  28. Stephen Crofts

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    When driving freight on RRO I kept coming up to some mystery red signal that I couldn't see. I eventually found that I was being stopped by a sign that acted as a stop signal by digging through this pdf I found.
    It is a useful guide to many of the German signals and also the signs, it also explains how lzb works and so on. Document is in English.

    https://www.drivehq.com/file/df.aspx/publish/railreports/intranet/_pdf/deu_signale.pdf
     
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    Thanks a lot. This seems like the 'Ultimate' German Signal guide.
     
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    TSW Nathan Well-Known Member

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    For a UK signal guide I recommend this video by the British Ace:
    It's very good and teaches you everything you need to know about signaling in the UK! :)

     
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  31. summersy

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    Nice little idea I've thought of over the past couple of days. I've started to pick braking points for stations eg a bridge or an electricity box instead of trying to remember braking distances for all the different trains. This helps with route knowledge and if you're always changing trains helps you to stop nicely on the platform more often than not.
     
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    I do the same with IoW. Both versions. When traveling South near Brading you get a warning for a 20mph section before the station. I always wait until the crossing after that warning sign and then put the brake into the first notch, always slows me down perfectly and I hit 20 just before the section begins.
     
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    Thats how its done in real life, even more before safety sytems were not up to todays standard.

    Signalracks, landmarks, tunnels and bridges are always a good reference for a braking point.
     
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  34. summersy

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    Yep it was this line of thinking that led me to this! It's only took me about a year of playing haha.
     

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