Db 103 Breakdowns To Easy?

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  1. SHINO BAZ

    SHINO BAZ Well-Known Member

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    It seems the smallest driving error renders this loco dead on the tracks and getting is going again is bleepin miracle.So what good is this thing if all it's good for as a partime paperweight.Why does getting it going again such a PIA.
     
  2. Spikee1975

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    No problems with that loco. What do you mean with breakdowns?
     
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  3. Trainiac

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    You might be applying to much power all at once causing the motors to cut out. If that happens you need to rest the MCB
     
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  4. rennekton#1349

    rennekton#1349 Well-Known Member

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    The only way the 103 could stop is if you have the transformer on for too long. It isn't what you think it is where you just turn it on and keep it on. It makes the loco more powerful but at the cost of overloading after 2 minutes i believe.
     
  5. Lamplight

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    No problems on my end. Sounds like user error. You didn’t touch the transformer switch, did you?
     
  6. AtherianKing

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    I had some difficulty getting started with the 103 on Bremen doing a service off differential types of passenger coaches (IC, Dostos and the older red ones that comes with Bremen)

    Also the taps needed on the tap changer were also a lot different to the 110, took about tap 8 and the 103 sprung off but lower and it wasn’t budging.
     
  7. SHINO BAZ

    SHINO BAZ Well-Known Member

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    Every problem i've ever had with the DB 103 functionality occurred long before i ever had any reason to use the transformer booster switch.
     
  8. Maik Goltz

    Maik Goltz Well-Known Member

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    Hard to say what's going on there. You need to explain it a bit more detailed. What do you do exactly. What exactly happens then. This loco is generally easy to drive if you don't expect a modern style driving from it. When it pops out the MCB you did something you should not do with it :)
     
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  9. Lamplight

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    All makes sense given that the 110 has 28 taps and the 103 39 taps. According to the real life operator’s manual, you should start a train in tap 6-8 depending on weight, accelerate at 40kN/traction motor and don’t use more than 20kN/traction motor continuously.

    SHINO BAZ, I’d like to help you, but you’re really not giving us anything to go by. Do you deviate from the procedures I outlined above?
     
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  10. AtherianKing

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    that’s helpful to know, unfortunately when I was having issue getting moving it was due to the hud staying red and not giving me any power when I loaded up the service from timetable, I tried everything such as closing mcb / lowering panto - raising panto - closing mcb / brake key was on / reverser in forward / all brakes released / Other cab had key off and no reverser handle I don’t think, but nope it wouldn’t turn white on hud or apply power with the tap changer.

    I ended up using reset physics and that fixed that issue.

    I was wondering if it was to do with the brakes on the passenger wagons as the train was a mix of white IC coaches, Dostos coaches and the older red coaches what the 110 usually pulls.
     
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  11. Spikee1975

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    As you mentioned it - did you know that notches 27 and 28 were not being used on the 110 (or any N28h Schaltwerk)?
     
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  12. SHINO BAZ

    SHINO BAZ Well-Known Member

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    Alot of this sounds familiar this is also most of the stuff i have tried after after some random breakdown and attempts to get the loco to kick back in but after 15 minutes of no success and a still dead loco i just say enough and move on to something that i know how it works.I like the DB 103 but between the loco's in game that work and those with continuing issues it hard to sometimes tell which are which at his point.
     
  13. Lamplight

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    AtherianKing, SHINO BAZ, have you tried shortly putting the brakes into ‘release’ when the HUD stays red? I have found the traction lock on the 103 to be rather aggressive and she sometimes needs a short tap of the driver’s brake valve to ‘release’ to lift the lock.

    Not being used in the sense that they could be used, but usually weren’t, right? That was my understanding at least. The little plaque next to the tap changer tells you at what line voltage you can go up to which tap (in theory), I believe. In a German thread from another forum I linked a while back, a driver said that they only ever go up to 24 on the 110 anyways.
    I read a similar thing about the 155. While she’s got 30 taps, only the ones up to 27 are intended for regular use.
     
  14. AtherianKing

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    Yea, I tried that aswell when the issue happened and putting it to emergency and back to release, but I ended up resetting physics after that.

    The issue I had was only on that one service I’ve found, other services have been fine.
     
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  15. Maik Goltz

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    Probably the mixed wagons then that cause the issue as they use different door state messages and the loco does not understand a mixed up state (not in the game nor IRL). Often also the e-brake lever is not in off position what gives a traction lock too as it has a mechanical switch that cuts power off at all when used even a tiny bit.
     
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  16. SHINO BAZ

    SHINO BAZ Well-Known Member

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    Why is the loco set to "trail" when it's the main and only driving cab?Is the DB103 meant to have a cab car?Is this another one of those situations where DTG finds the cab car to much of a headache again.This most likely has nothing to do with the brake issue or traction lockout or whatever going on with the DB103.
     
  17. Maik Goltz

    Maik Goltz Well-Known Member

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    You start to drift into the toxic action. Please don't. There was nothing said about a cab car compatibility and a 103 is not able to be driven from a cab car or in a double formation IRL and so not in the game.
     
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    steveownzzz#6107 Well-Known Member

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    Have spent a lot of time in the 103 and haven’t encountered getting stuck like this. Problem exists between keyboard and chair.
     
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    SHINO BAZ Well-Known Member

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    Alright but why is it set to trail? What should it be set to or doesn't matter.This loco doesn't need any extra confusing setting setups.
     
  20. mkraehe#6051

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    Because the tap changer follows (= trails) the value you set on the control wheel.
     
  21. Maik Goltz

    Maik Goltz Well-Known Member

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    Yeah that's just for the tap changer. It is a so called "Nachlaufsteuerung", trailing control. You set a step you want with the wheel, the tap changer tries to reach that step. But that has nothing to do with cab cars or something. That is just the control mechanism for getting power to the axles.

    There is also the so called "Nullstellungszwang" what means, always after something bad happened, like a tripped MCB or a brake application of any sort, you need to set the wheel to 0 and let the tap changer run down to 0 too (what you cant even see, you need to wait and listen to the final clack-clack sound) before you can even apply any power again. And to apply any power all brakes need to be released (handles in release, or off for the e-brake lever).
     
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  22. SHINO BAZ

    SHINO BAZ Well-Known Member

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    So is the DB103 only work on german routes with overhead wires outside of off the rails mode?
     
  23. rennekton#1349

    rennekton#1349 Well-Known Member

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    Free roam requires the right power systems. Off the rails doesn't have that limitation
     
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    Just to revive this thread. Been doing the Castle Collection scenario on LFR towards the March Mastery. After very brake application, I’m having to reset the transformer to take power again.
     
  25. steveownzzz#6107

    steveownzzz#6107 Well-Known Member

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    I read this comment thinking “what an absolute donkey” this person is to say that

    then I look at the profile name, low and behold, that’s me

    Welp, sorry for being a donkey tbh
     
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