PlayStation 5 When the DB BR 155 loco add-on (the old one from Ruhr-Sieg Nord) is installed, starting one of the two BR 103 railtour services lets me spawn on foot on some track or platform. Without the aforementioned loco add-on installed, the railtour works fine both playable and AI.
Must be a combination. The DB BR 155 kills the railtour (at least) if all other German DLCs, LGV Mediterrannee and Luzern-Sursee are installed. I suggest that DTG check in general the system of DLCs working together and where the conflict may come from.
Got it. It is the combination of the DB BR 155 and the DB BR 363. Which makes sense in a weird kind of way, because they are both loco DLCs related to Ruhr-Sieg Nord. If only one of them is present, you spawn in a nice comfy 103 seat when starting the railrour service. If they are both installed, you stand on a platform somewhere on the route.
In case anyone was wondering: YES. Yes, it still does that kinda thang after the latest patch. It happens with 100% certainty if you have all German, Austrian, and Swiss DLC is installed. You find yourself on foot at some station along the route. Last I tried I sat at Schifferstadt. My strong, and I can only repeat this, strong presumption is that MITT, the BR 363 from RSN, and the BR 155 from RSN do not play together well. If you remove the BR 363 or the BR 155, it is smooth sailing. Please.
OK so I reinstalled my German content and found out something interesting. I played Ludwigsbahn while Frankfurt-Fulda was not yet installed. The railtour was there and could be played. This basically confirms vendys#6021 's and my assumption that it is not a single DLC (like the 155 or the 363). It always seems to be a combination of DLCs installed and present that causes trouble. If there is too much on the system, it breaks. But there is no specific number of DLCs that causes this. It seems to be an individual incompatibility of some stuff. Still, I assume that it has to do something with the general way add-ons are recognized and layered. Interesting to note (at least for me, but I am not an IT guy) is also the type of error. Yes, the railtour AI is missing without a trace. But if you want to start it as a player service, you spawn on foot in a different location everytime. But always on the platform at a station. Totally random. Maybe this gives the team some kind of hint at what is going on.
It's the same alchemy as finding the right combination of DLC layers so that a given map doesn't blur during play......and once you find something, every next patch usually changes it even more..... Luckily, there's a temporary lull in the Lidwigsbahn until they fix the tunnel's interior textures, so we "temporarily threw it away" However, for German maps, it would probably help to do something with the Dostos cars. They clearly "eat" performance somehow.
Good point, vendys. And one more thing: I remember that I was playing the railtour without a problem. I installed one of the first patches on Ludwigsbahn (may have been the one that brought the TGV) and when I played it the next time everything went South.
It must be insanely difficult for DTG to test routes and fix bugs when there must be hundreds of different potential combinations of DLC people have and different bugs appear for different DLC collections. Especially for the German routes where each one seems to take layers from every previous route, so the DLC manager must need to activate gigs and gigs of DLC when you fire up a German route. And this turns all of us into the beta testers. German content is my fav but I have to say playing things like the Dutch route it’s nice and refreshing to have a route that is relatively simple, has two trains and only a couple layers, performs well without blurring, etc. You can just enjoy it without all these problems.
I agree, the Dutch map is a kind of TSW Wellness stay.... in the end I only kept the static Falns.... I ended up putting the Vectron, G6 and tankers on ice, it didn't provide any interesting scenery within the operation And Mittenwald also works relatively well...although it slightly blurs the texture when zoomed in, but you don't usually need to do that.....
I agree. That is why I think the whole system of layers and substitutions cannot cope with the amount of DLCs. Before add-on manager for example, there was a limitation of the total number of DLCs. These layering issues are also hard to spot, because most of the time you just don't know if there was supposed to be an AI train or not. The obvious layering problems on PS4 on SEHS may be an exception here. But still, I would assume that some casual players do not even notice that some services are missing (no offence, to each their own). What should be and hopefully is standard is that they do checks when all DLCs are installed on a given system that might interact with each other. So, for example, all UK content as well as the DLCs that layer into UK content (Cologne-Aachen, LGV Med). If everything goes smooth, then there is a good chance it stays smooth where less stuff is installed.
And it can’t be good for system resources that to activate a loco layer the entire route it came from (which could be 2-10gb) needs to be activated. Unless it’s a stand alone loco. It’s too late now but what DTG should have done is include all locos and rolling stock in the core game. That way as far as AI traffic everyone would see the same trains and there would only be one timetable with everything instead of endless combinations. Then they could have just made it so that to drive each loco you have to own them, but if you don’t own them you could still see the AI just not sit in the driver seat. That also would solve the problem where there’s like 8 copies of some locos because they’ve been used on multiple routes (and each version has separate issues and bugs) like Class 65, Dosto, etc. I’ve noticed with the ongoing blurring issue it is almost exclusively tied to routes with lots of layers activated. I even saw it on Hamburg Lubeck today, which is an old TSW2 spec route that doesn’t even have TOD3. But still approaching Hamburg HBF in the diesel cab car all the interior labels went blurry, and that station has tons of layers which is most likely why (PS5).
Damn i only find out about this after a few days of me buying the route tho i still dont have mittenwald but anyway hoping dtg fixes this issue
I just got the route on PS5 in the recent sale and same problem for me. Thank you very much for figuring this out. I kept the 363 and uninstalled the 155 loco dlc and everything worked well afterwards. This is really weird
