PC Db Br 155 Braking Question.

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  1. Fawx

    Fawx Well-Known Member

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    So just started using the BR 155, and did a service with it. The entire time it felt like the wagons had their brakes applied. Acceleration was super slow, and the movement ball was constantly jittering back and forth.

    Do I have to cut in the brakes beyond using the brake key like you would on a US freight loco?
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    I tried all three of these options and nothing seemed to change. What do the 3 letters actually mean?
     

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    Could be a bug with the BRO BR155, I had a run with it the other day, got tripped by PZB and could not get the brakes to release. This was on HMA.
     
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    I did some quick testing and it seems to be an issue with the cars (container cars) rather than the locomotive as I got the same results with the Br143.
     
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    Cant confirm any problems with the 155 and also not with the wagons. Is your direct brake still applied?
     
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    What service exactly?
     
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    Can't remember, I did try 2 different services starting 15:xx. Brake pressure never dropped below 0.7 or something like that if I remember correctly after getting tripped by PZB.
     
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    I tested it my self now on the sggmrss wagons, everything works fine. On Bremen Oldenburg you have the Wagons with P/G Modes, so after a "schnellbremsung" it takes 1-2 minutes until all the brakes are released. Even with the old intermodal wagons i tested everything, there the brakes are releasing way quicker.

    If your brake pipe is empty from the emergency braking it just trakes a while, nothing you can do here except for driving without mistakes.

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    As I've said, in this case, it NEVER releases the brakes. I've been sitting here on service 85861 for half an hour now and it's still at it 0.7. I could only gain movement by getting rid of all cars except one, but then again, I can hear the brakes screaming from that car.
     
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    As i for my self find the services when loading from the menu or taking over on foot in every different possible condition sometimes. Overcharging the pipe isnt a bad thing, just wait 1-2 mins.

    I tried your service, its starting on a "steep" gradient, also after the pzb brakes your train (which is technically a driver mistake), it just takes a while and a bit of tractive force to get your train moving. when its rolling everything is fine.

    If your brake cylinder pressure isnt going below 0.7, you have to overcharge until it reaches 0. after that wait for 5 bar brakepipe pressure.
     
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    I have driven 5k km with the RSN Br155 alone, I know how it works pal, the problem here is, that it doesn't. It doesn't take "minutes" to release the brakes of a single locomotive and a single car, both in brake group P, unless there is something seriously wrong with it. In that case, it ain't moving anyway.

    I sat with the brake lever on "running" for 15 minutes and "release" for 15 minutes as well as having maximum tractive force backwards down the hill and the train wouldn't budge. Overcharging it would drop it to zero, just to go back to 0.7 again.

    "Technically" you would start by just dumping the brakes, which I did, this train would fail that brake test as the brakes aren't releasing.
     
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    So, some progress. Saving, and reloading seems to fix it. BC goes down to zero anyway.
     
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    Tried the same service (85861) with BRO 155 and can confirm that the brakes are a bit weird, but not unusable. I did two intentional emergency stops -- first by PZB trip, and then manually. Both times it was not enough to simply release brakes to normal BP pressure.

    Although, for the first emergency application it was enough to keep brake handle in overcharge position for 5 seconds for the cars to release.

    Second time it was not as easy -- it took two full overcharge cycle and some serious traction to start moving. First overcharge didn't help at all, second helped, when I applied power while keeping handle in release for 30 seconds. And still I could clearly hear that I was dragging through brakes. After I got to around 10 km/h brakes seem to have finally released and train started behaving normally.
    Mind you, brake gauges never showed anything abnormal, so no uncommanded pressure in BC or anything.

    I kind of feel that second release gave me troubles because I didn't let BP pressure to normalize between first overcharge and applying emergency brakes, so second overcharge wasn't raising pressure enough to release all of the brakes.
     
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