Db Br 187 - First Screenshots

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  1. Ben132465798

    Ben132465798 Active Member

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    Oh no. Anyways, I reported both because they're totally unrelated to the 187 thread
     
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  2. OnlyMe1909

    OnlyMe1909 Well-Known Member

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    I see the 187 will get services on HMA. Will these services be avl on gen8 consoles? It would be great to finally get a third loco to drive on this route.
     
  3. Lamplight

    Lamplight Well-Known Member

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    No, they won‘t. The 187 only substitutes on HMA. Therefore, if you‘re not seeing any freight services on your machine now, you won‘t see any when the 187 comes around.
     
  4. Noel06

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    And on Hauptstrecke Rhein Ruhr? Can I use the substitutes on HRR on gen8 consoles??
     
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  6. CK95

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    Basically if you have any German freight in the game right now, you will be able to use the 187 to do those services.

    Substitution only allows you to swap out the loco on the service, it doesn’t add any new ones, so if you have no existing freight layer there, then you won’t see anything with it.
     
  7. Factor41

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    If you're reporting threads because they venture mildly off-topic (rather than, for example, being obviously posted by spam bots or containing inappropriate content) you're going to find yourself very busy on these forums! Conversation diversions about trains all being the same colour when the new model is coming out in the same colour are hardly spam.
     
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  8. DTG Protagonist

    DTG Protagonist Dovetail Special Projects Staff Member

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    Let's go easy on reporting posts because they take a mild tangent from the thread topic. The posts in question were in-line with the conversation as it evolved and that's fine.
     
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  9. hyperlord

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    Why aren't there any screenshots from inside the cab btw?
     
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  10. matinakbary

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    Or even maybe a little Video tour through the cab? That's one thing where Rivet really does well: Their DevBlog videos really go into the route and loco before release. I hope we get a little bit more to see (at least some more screenshots) before the release on thursday.
     
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  11. KoeleKoen

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    I'm a bit worried about only having some screens before launch, let's hope those worries are unnecessary
     
  12. OnlyMe1909

    OnlyMe1909 Well-Known Member

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    I'm gonna hold off untill I've seen it in action on the stream thursday
     
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  13. jolojonasgames

    jolojonasgames Well-Known Member

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    I'm really curious to see/read/hear more from inside engine, and the functions included, especially the screens, which from Matts comments about headlights seem to have some functionality at the very least. The screens are also an important aspect, as newer trains like the BR 187 are quite reliant on it.
    Perhaps we'll see another article or a showcase by Skyhook before release, and otherwise I'll just wait until after the stream before buying amything.

    With the last examples being delivered to DB not too long ago I believe it's also one of the most modern locos in game (soon). Are there any newer locos in-game?
     
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  14. KoeleKoen

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    Not afaik, this should be the most modern one so far
     
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    For anyone interested, I set up a pre-stream questions/requests thread with Sam‘s blessing. You can find it here.
     
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  16. panzermann

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    Moin ...comes the Loco with Last Mile Diesel Action?
     
  17. mclitke

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    we don't know yet, but since it is the DB version it might not be included. Apparently DB ordered them without.
     
  18. bakedpotatos.jm

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    And it was confirmed by Matt. It is the DB version without it.
     
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  19. neddyie116

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    It would be nice if we saw some gameplay of this loco?
     
  20. Huntlosen

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    Why this loco have br 146 sounds :(
    In a preview stream I noticed that.
    Normal sound:
     
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  21. CK95

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    Which preview stream?
     
  22. Tigert1966

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    Some Australien streamer has already got it as it’s midnight there. It was a pretty poor stream to be honest, but it did illustrate the wrong sounds.

    Not a huge deal for me, but clearly incorrect.
     
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  23. CK95

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    Yeah just found it, I have just come into the stream and good lord this has to be the worst loco sounds in TSW so far?

    As for a “poor stream” that’s putting it lightly, this is painful to watch.
     
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  24. Mat_Jam_Ca

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    Not more incorrect sounds.
    What the hell?
    :(:mad::(:mad:
     
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  25. CK95

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    Honestly they’ve some how reused the sounds and made them even worse.
     
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  26. Lamplight

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    Found the stream but can‘t be bothered to watch it. I‘ll wait for Sam‘s stream, but the first impression was not promising.
     
  27. Mat_Jam_Ca

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    We are definitely being taken for fools.
     
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  28. Snek

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    Man I was really looking forward to finally getting a decent new freight locomotive in Germany after such a long time... I guess it’s another year of waiting now, till DTG decides to make on
     
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  29. CK95

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    I don’t think even DTG would of been so Brazen, if all they were going to do was rip TRAXX sounds from existing locos, they could of at least used the updated ones.

    Not surprised that Skyhook dipped out of a preview stream for this.
     
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  30. antwerpcentral

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    Lights not working? Is this an as-is release? Or do third party developers update their DLC?
     
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  31. solicitr

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    That's not really true. There are a lot of equipment-leasing firms like MRCE doing business in Germany, and many passenger services are franchised to private TOCs.
     
  32. DB628

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    GIVE US CORRECT SOUNDS!!!
     
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  33. Choo choo mofos

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    Yeah it feels super wrong and rushed to re-use the 146 (185?) sounds on the 187. One could say that it shows a lack of seriousness, but who am i to judge. I am therefore scared that other aspects of the loco have also been neglected.

    See for reference this cab ride:

     
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  34. Daniel Bloch

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    omg... that BR187 sounds make my ears bleed, that is a no go... sorry no buy from me because of that horrible sounds (bad BR185 copy & paste) :(
     
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  35. Lamplight

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    Scratch that. I just skimmed through the stream a bit. Those sounds are not accurate at all. Surely Skyhook didn‘t think that all electric locos sound alike and they can just re-use the TRAXX 2 sounds? I‘ll still catch the preview/release stream, but things are not looking good so far.
     
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  36. grdaniel48

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    First of all it is a pity first stream it was not made by DTG, before the launch date.
    So as I wants to purchase the loco tomorrow, I have no chance but to make a look a the aussie one.

    The guy it had problems about setting the headlight due to the special feature. But this may be his problem.
    I believe this could not be so complicated.

    Another thing I noticed are the dirty front windows at the top, with the arc shape, due to the wipers.
    This is the first loco with this effect so clearly showed.

    I like the right screen - yes, on this engine it is in the opposite site of the other Bombardier ones - it have some different functions and specific design as the real one.

    As to sound issue mentioned, for me it is no big issue, but hope be different from the other Traxx ones, and if not available at launch time, be improved later.

    As to new freight cars - compared with some other freight locomotive DLS - it seems to be no new one.
    May be due to it is not DTG DLC....?

    I also noticed on the locomotive frame at the side - the dark grey area - where there are lot of decals of the locomotive, there is one that indicates: DB - Regio!.
    I believe this not be the one for a freight locomotive.
    Has this be taken from a DB BR 147 instead?....
     
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  37. hyperlord

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    Oh-kay after reading about the sound (quite important for me) I consider now watching Sam's stream before purchasing this time
     
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  38. Cramnor

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    Unfortunately DTG is doing the same with their locos. They blindly copy everything from the prototype they use for the modelling. While this has only been things like locos based in Cottbus running on RSN for example, this seems to be next level for this DLC now :D
    It actually makes me wonder, if a 147 was the reference model, why not just model that, why make it a 187 and then copy things blindly and inaccurately?
     
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  39. solicitr

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    Not the first time. Look at DTG's 146.2 (including the new Dresden version)- the frame declares it to belong to DB Cargo AG, and the brake markings are for a freight loco! Copy-pasted straight from the 185.2.
     
  40. BjornGroen02NL

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    Those are not even the worst - the BR 363 from RSN is based in Utrecht, the Netherlands :D
     
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  41. Tynmar

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    I know plans change but really?!! :( Yeah another lack of trophy moan from me. I bet it could have them for the PlayStation. No purchase from me.
     
  42. tallboy7648

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    I assume you won't be buying this train then. My word. Does skyhook think the playerbase are fools. Maybe that explains why skyhook dipped out of a preview stream
     
  43. robinnieuwenhuis1

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    Wow just saw some preview streams. Its a real shame they just copied all sounds from another loco. Just bring it out a week later if it can't be finished in time, this is just another unpolished product again...

    This is going to work against you in the future DTG there are plenty of other simulators on the way that already give better quality.

    Disclaimer: While this product is not made by DTG, they should at least do a good quality control
     
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  44. DB628

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    This dlc need to be removed from all Stores until we got the real Sounds included.
     
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  45. tallboy7648

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    It would take a miracle for that to happen
     
  46. MYG92

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    Don’t do the same mistake as me and avoid this DLC which is a joke they can’t even put the real sound
     
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  47. Nielsen

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    When third-party development got announced for TSW2, I had a bad feeling about the plethora of additional inconsistencies it could bring to the game. Here we are yet again.
     
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    A legitimate question is whether third party developers have access to the same library of materials, both audio and visual that DTG have? E.g. was this the only set of sounds that Skyhook could obtain? Were the new 185 sounds with improvement for TSW2 not available to them at the time they made the loco?
     
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  49. antwerpcentral

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    I like the way how it looks. It looks gorgeous except from the machine room seen on the streams. But as others point out rush jobs on the audio refrain me from purchasing. Does Skyhook have a good trackrecord of polishing up stuff or is this a done job?
     
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  50. bobbobberdd

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    It's a shame, I was so looking forward to the 187. Well, let's hope that the developers at Skyhook, after all these negative reports, get their butts up and start fixing DLCs. 14 € saved
     
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