Denver & Rio Grande Western

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  1. AndTheBest

    AndTheBest Active Member

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    I think the Soldier Summit to Salt Lake City route need some new D&RGW unit like the EMD GP30 total of 28 unit from 3001 to 3028, EMD GP35 total of 22 unit from 3029 to 3050, EMD GP7 total of 13 unit from 5101 to 5113 with two type of paint scheme and SD7 total of 5 unit from 5300 to 5304, Challenger 4-6-6-4 L105 total of 15 unit and the Krauss-Maffei ML4000 total of 3 unit from 4001 to 4003.
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    Ah yes the Krauss-Maffei ML4000 of the D&RGW are a total of 3 unit numbered from 4001 to 4003 in A-B-A
     
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    I mean that the Krauss-Maffei builded some of the most famous Diesel Hydraulic train bought from two american Railroad company the Sounther Pacific (SP) and Denver & Rio Grande Western (D&RGW) bought only 3 unit from the Krauss-Maffei two A unit and one B unit. The ML4000 have 3540 Horsepower from two Maybach MD870 V16s for a max speed of 70 MPH the speed on kilometers 112,654 KMH with a Voith L830rU Hydraulic has the transmission, for the brake it was used the Schedule 26L air. In my opinion it would be nice to see it in Train Simulator 2021 on D&RGW paint scheme with the Rio Grande Challenger L105 the EMD GP30, EMD GP35 the GP7 with the two paint scheme and SD7
     
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    The Krauss Maffei units aren't really possible due to the lack of available resources and surviving examples. We do have one surviving hydraulic, SP 9010. However, this is a different model of locomotive.

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    The SD9 does also exist as a seperate add-on for the usual price of around $19.99. (USD)
    https://store.steampowered.com/app/325951/Train_Simulator_DRGW_SD9_Loco_AddOn/

    You can also probably ask someone to repaint the GP30 and GP35. (I can't do it as I don't have either model in TS).
     
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    I'm saying the SD7 not the SD9, anyway the Krauss-Maffeii was used by D&RGW
     
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    The Rio Grande did use Krauss-Maffeii locomotives, but not the class that 9010's a part of.
    See? Different class of loco from 9010. And I don't even know if 9010's gonna have both engines on her, so even if the only difference between the two was body shells, you wouldn't get a fully accurate audio recording for engine noise if 9010 only has one engine.
     
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    I know that, The one used by the D&RGW is the Krauss-Maffei ML4000 model with two Maybach V16s
     
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    Plus the Southern Pacific Krauss-Maffei are different model builded differently from the Denver & Rio Grand Western Krauss-Maffei
     
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    Plus I'm not sure if the D&RGW ML4000 where two A unit and one B unit or only three A unit
     
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    Anyway I think is possible make the D&RGW Krauss-Maffei
     
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    This is gonna seem to be a little outta left field, but you DO realize you could've put all that together in one post instead of making multiple posts.
    But anyways, 9010 and her sisters were all built with two Maybach's as well, so it's not like the two classes were COMPLETELY different, there were some similarities between the two. I wasn't saying it's completely impossible to make the full cowl body hydraulic for TS, I'm just saying there'll be a LOT of hoops to jump through.
     
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    Just a thing to say about the Rio Grande ML-4000s here. There are only 3 units (all Cab Bodied) that were built for the DRGW and there were sold off to SP 3 years afterward because they were not suited for mountain runs.
    So even if you wanted one for Soldier Summit, it's impossible without the in-depth research that goes when making it (cab functions, interior specs, little accurate details, etc.) and a route that would not be too challenging to make it work without a hassle. And only one SP Hooded Body that survived, that's also been modified to operate and be preserved as-is, ain't gonna cut all of it. Not for TS1.
     
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    As far as the GP30 and GP35 is concerned, DTM probably could of made marketplace reskins of their GP30 and GP35 models for them, but due to a hard drive crash, they lost a good chunk of their project files, so that most likely wont happen unless someone builds a new one.

    As far as the ML4000 goes, there is enough reference date to at least make an exterior model of the Rio Grande Units, but there are no cab shots of the Cowl Body units AFAIK. Performance and sound is also another thing that is unknown on these units, as mention before, the only existing ML4000 doesn't have both its engines running. So unless a 3rd party studio does some guesswork or subsitutions, Rio Grande ML4000's wont come to TS.

    Luk Rail America was working on an ML4000 way back, but it was only the Camera Car and Hood Unit variants for the Southern Pacific.
     
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    Ok, so it would be inutizable on Soldier Summit to Salt Lake City but on another DRGW route
     
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    Did you mean unusable, because when I looked that word up, all I got was how to translate it into English, and no definition.
     
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    Yes, I mean unusable, that mean we need another route of the DRGW.
     
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    This is a great suggestion, I like all the locos, but especially the GP30s. God bless!
     
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    What do you think about the Ml4000?
     
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    I like it. It would be a great addition!
     
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    The ML4000 is one of my favorite unique diesel locos, and I'm a huge fan of unique and interesting locos. Another possible DLC is D&RGW's Alco PA-1/PB-1s.
     
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    Yes DRGW used the Alco PA-1 and PB-1 but they aren't fitted for the use on Soldier Summit, they changed them with EMD F unit like the Rio Grande Zephry
     
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    Well, I would really like to see added in the game the DRGW EMD GP30, EMD GP35 and EMD SD45 26 unit from 5315 to 5340 and an extension from Soldier Summit Salt Lake City - Provo - Helper to Denver Colorado throught the Moffat Tunnel Route with the possibility to pass from Soldier Summit Route to the Moffat Tunnel Route. H2000-L248474791.jpg drgw5315.jpg
     
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    So, any opinion regarding the Soldier Summit - Salt Lake City - Provo - Helper - Moffat Tunnel Route and Denver extension with the DRGW EMD GP30, EMD GP35 and EMD SD45.
     
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    I think you might be asking for a DRGW Retro Pack if I'm not mistaken. I like where this is going.
     
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    Yes, in a part as that the D&RGW EMD GP35 is already come back.
     
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    Also, D&RGW had 3 GP60s in the early 90s before the SP/D&RGW merger.
     
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    DRGW GP30s are being tested right now before release to the RWA library. They are in large and small logo livery with some weathering. They are not my work but that of another RWA member I am merely bringing them to your attention. Ask in the right place in the right manner and who knows what might result. DRGW GP30 SP5.jpg DRGW GP30 SP7.jpg
     
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    With the Southern Pacific Light Package?
     
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    It's the only one with the correct headlights. I am only a messenger don't shoot me and it's better than not having one at all.
     
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    You can shoot me! I originally used the UP SD45 but the person who requested the repaint wanted it on the SP unit due to the plow (I think). So when I did the GP30 I used the SP unit. I could easily make it work with the UP GP30. Neither unit is exactly like the D&RGW.
     
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    I was only asking if those where SP Light Package, just this.
     
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    It's fine, it's pretty good.
     

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