Today I'm suggesting more Diesels for Northern Trans Pennine. Let's see what should come. (BR Blue) Class 33 'Crompton' BR Class 55 'Deltic' BR Class 42 'Warship' And finally... (BR Green) Class 40 I think NTP does have a lot of missed potential and this add-on would fill the silence seeing as the route hadn't had a dlc for almost 4 years. Let me know what you think in the comments!
These would be wonderful classes to see in game but not for NTP. The 33s were SR machinesand not really an appropriate route yet, 42s WR machines so would better suit DLoGW, the Deltics were ER machines though could be seen on NTP before their withdrawal which I think NTP was set a year after and the green 40 would be a nice bonus for NTP. So a great suggestion but I thInk 3 of the four would be betyer as the star rolling stock in a new route. Great suggestions though tft mate!
A Class 25 would be the obvious choice for NTP, albeit with a bit of time period licence. That and another DMU variant.
Route is set in 1983 two locomotives can be reskinned Classes 33 & 40. Remember you need Class 33 & 40 to be Blue Star MU equipped to run with HFP Class 40 and base route Class 45 TVL Classes 37/5 20 & 31
33s never got to Man Vic apart from possibly an adex but I can’t confirm that. The closest they got was Swansea and Cardiff to Man Pic.
33s and 42s espiecally 42s never got near Man Vic but belive it or not in June 1985 it was a regular Portsmouth-Leads and it would be a 33 to Birmingham and this one day it came in with a 33 as per and all of the 33 bashers went to the pub not bothering to check what was going on the other end because it would be a 45/1 or a 47 and being 33 bashers they were not interested in those. Well I say all 33 bashers all went to the pub all apart from one as it was his train home so you can imagine his face when he heard 33046 go on the front to Leads. And even more suprisingly it stuck to diagram and did some outragous moves.
45009 at Stalybridge on the 1205 Liverpool to Scarborough service Class 25 on a parcels train at Manchester Victoria Definitely need the class 25 these were used as pilots at Manchester Victoria to bank the oil trains and worked parcel trains too .Possibly we could have a class 45/0 they worked the occasional TP service
So what you are saying is that the deltic can't run on the line and the warship can't make an appearance. But what about the rail tours surly these locos would be ideal for the tours. Oh but wait the higher class of people on here doesn't want to see the deltic or warship on the Man Vic to Leeds Line as it wouldn't look right on their route. They only want the 40s 31s 47s to run. I have come to the conclusion that shelling out mega bucks to play on train sim world 3 is a joke people are asking for updates on locos that they would like to see on the routes but when in fact all the higher up people just want to put in new units so I guess we will be seeing the class 144 pacers or the class 142 nodding dogs on the Man Vic to Leeds route.
Think you need to calm down, for starters there’s no indication we will ever get a Class 42 Warship for the game. Unless we want every route in the game to resemble WCL i.e. a glorified train set there has to be a modicum of realism. Even with railtours these were (are) a complex logistics exercise where train crews are concerned, in terms of route and traction knowledge and providing conductor drivers to cater for this. I believe Class 42’s might have reached Birkenhead Woodside via Western Region services through Chester or on the N&W through Shrewsbury but even then they were far from their operating and maintenance bases. If we did get a Warship, the priority would be adding it to WSR, WCL and DLOGW, not the northern routes. Deltics did work Trans Pennine services briefly after being displaced from ECML front line services, but not for very long.
No we have the Class 45/1 the Class 45/0 has no ETH equipment they usually have boilers for train heat and some had them removed
The 33s and warships weren't northern based locos, 33s did make it as far north as Manchester Piccadilly on Cardiff-Manchester services but they always headed back south.
Yes Crewe drivers in the N&W link signed them and possibly some of the North Wales crews for the brief time they worked through to/from Holyhead.
Hi thanks for your reply maybe it was a fault on DTG everything is 45/1 on my services .And also the 45/0 looks different with the missing ETH cables and also it as different side Grills .
My dad used to tell me of some hellfire runs he had behind 33s on the North Wales coast in his bashing days lol.
25s used to work oil trains throughout and in the sommer worked some passenger services especially sommer saturday stuff.
I would imagine that by 1983 class 45/0's would have mainly only appeared in summer on passenger trains where ETH wasn't required, one wouldn't be out of place certainly. I would be nice to see some of the named class 45's on the route. A class 25 is definately a class which is missing and I do hope if we ever see an upgraded timetable the class 31 could be subbed in. Certainly a class 33 and 42 would be very innappropriate and the Deltics had gone by the time the route is set. Another DMU would be great too especially a 108 as they were probably more prominent than class 101's in the area.
You are correct and importantly the class 25 is fitted with blue star mu which means owners of this pack can simply combine it with TVL WCL 37/5 NTP 45 and HFP Class 40 TVL Class 20 & 31 DLC. Class 47 red circle or red square MU system which you cannot combine with a class 25.
Well ideally if you could select layers then those of us who want to recreate something realistic, especially historical (like NTP) and realistic can do so and those who want to turn every route into WCL also can, everyone then would be happy. But no I don't want to see a class 42 on the NTP as it just wouldn't have happened and certainly not in 1983 as the two surviving class 42's (well 3 including Glory scrapped in 1984 (an heinous act of vandalism by BR)) were not allowed out on the mainline, no preserved diesels were then. We also shouldn't see a class 142 or 144 on there either as they were not in existance in 1983, a class 141 would probably just about be suitable. If we start having unrealistic layers then for me it stops being a sim and becomes more a game. As it is to play WCL I have to move PAK files around so I don't see the ridiculous layers on there, which apparently make the route more realistic!
As I have pointed out numerous times before, the following are appropriate for NTP... Class 25 Class 123 Class 124 Class 128 Class 141 Also Class 504 on Bury services from Manchester Victoria. Would require extension of route to Bury. All of these could be witnessed in the area in 1983.
Not a Loco but I think we need the Mk1 GUV parcels van added to the game to make the parcel trains look more realistic
