With a bit of disappointment I had to find out that the new Dispolok BR 182 can only be used on Schnellfahrstrecke Kassel-Würzburg. You cannot use them as Substitutes for the other two BR 182. Why DTG, why did you decide to do it differently this Time.
That’s sad, but I didn’t have much expectation that it would. I guessed that they’d have to update all the other routes to allow it and that this wouldn’t be likely to happen. Don’t know if that’s correct or not.
That's a real shame. I was actually looking forward to the new 182, as I don't already have it. Currently the German freight services are pretty much unplayable for me, as the sound of the Db Br 185 makes my ears hurt. Anyway, thanks for helping me save 6 euros.
It was clear they would not substitute on TSW2 routes. I do understand the disappointment but I think the new approach to DLC will benefit us in the end. I have already said goodbye to my TSW2 routes as they are going to be abandoned as of TSW3. I like the Dispolok. Bought it and learned I don't hate freight, I think I just like German routes. First sale for DTG since TSW3 came out on Game Pass. Might buy the German starter pack eventually.
But this is an inconsistency on the part of DTG. TSW 2 content act as layers, AI traffic for TSW 3, etc and must be purchased for the full experience, but becomes unplayable at the same time. I feel sorry for people who are just completing the collection. It will be expensive scenery trains.
Another thing that might be a little confusing is how the new BR 182 is named in the Scenario Planner. If you select one of the three BR 182 you will find a list with Formations of all three 182s bit DTG has the new Dispolok BR 182 named like the Red Rapid Transit DB BR 182 in this List.
Not a good thing at all. Quite dissapointed as I was hoping to see the Dispolok subbing in on all German routes. That is the idea of a lease locomotive after all.
trust me it will be meant for the new german route for now then they uncuff it later down the line just give it time
Where is it written that TSW2 Routes will be abandoned? As far as I remember the only thing that was said is that Old Routes do not get the new Light and Cloud System. There are even DLCs in the works for a few old Routes. The DB BR 420 for Munich-Augsburg for example
Not getting to the TSW3 treatment is in my opinion abandoned. It's just interpretation. You look at it as remaining support for TSW2 routes, I look at it as selling DLC for abandoned routes. For you the glass is half full/ for me it's half empty
Thanks for saving me a few bucks. I was excited about using (or at least seeing) the new livery on other routes. So it's forever relegated to the darkness of SKW's overnight freight? Disappointing.
That's not different. Same as the BR Blue Class 52 not being able to substitute on WSR (I guess they really want to sell that red Class 52). Too bad to hear the BR 182 now is only usable on one route, much like my Class 33 which cannot be used anywhere except its home route. At least that's consistent, albeit still a dissapointment and a loss of value (addons would really be more valuable with more flexible substitution).
This needs to be fixed because Dispolok 182 are some times used on S1 Meißen to Schöna/Bad Schandau on Riesa-Dresden EN424/425 Schnellfahrstrecke Hannover Kassel Würzburg and Schnellfahrstrecke Köln Aachen. Rare cases as seen on Hauptstrecke München Augsburg is having Dispolok 182 due 20:45 München Hbf 21:15 Augsburg Railjet 66 Budapest Keleti to Frankfurt am Main Hbf & 22:50 München Hbf Augsburg 23:23 this is the Nightjet with Laaers 560s on the back.
And isn't the whole point of the decoupled addons to allow players to buy locos for other routes than their home route? If there's nothing to do with the train on other routes, wouldn't that waste the whole point of the decoupling? Of course there is the scenario planner, but with it having only really basic features, it just doesn't replace the timetable mode.
The question now arises for me too!? On the other hand, if I can drive a locomotive on any route, it must also have a timetable. Also as AI. Or just with the scenario planner. And now I ask myself, what is the point of decoupling locomotives from the respective route? Is it purely technical? Backgrounds that led to the development of the AddOn Manager? And shouldn't they be assigned to the training center in the future? And what sense does it make to connect them to the route again? @ DTG_JD please clarify...
A post made by Alex on another thread: It seems like the 182 is getting layered to future routes going forwards. No mention of the current routes though.
Few questions here I'll try to answer. Decoupling locos from routes means that, if you just want to play a loco rather than own a whole route, you can use it on Livery Designer/Scenario Planner to port it where you like (including Training Center) It's not related to Add-ons Manager Not sure what you mean by the final question
... excluding other timetables as substitution... The new trains can only be used on TSW 3 core routes, which is a dramatic limitation. Together, we wonder why this is so. Thank you very much in advance for your answer.
Interesting. Guess TSW3 really is more of a clean break from TSW2 than some people thought. So from my perspective, that means TSW2 is truly dead (RIP), and now we REALLY need to hear about upcoming new content for TSW3. If there's nothing new being discussed on Thursday's roadmap i'll be scratching my head.
The downside of Scenario Planner (and IMO it's a HUGE downside) is that it takes too much time to set up a scenario with some decent AI traffic. Considering TSW doesn't have a Quick Drive mode like TSC does, it's a shame there's all kinds of limitations for substitution in Timetable Mode. Because unlike Scenario Planner, Timetable Mode is actually easy to use and quick to set up. I never really understood why Timetable Mode and substitution doesn't offer an "Off The Rails" mode. Apart from me not understanding why I can't use the Diesel Legends BR Blue Class 52 on West Somerset Railway Timetable Mode, let me please just drive any train on any route, without the need and the hassle to set up my own scenario. I also had a bit of a giggle when during the stream someone asked what happens with the F7 if you don't own Cajon Pass. I believe Matt said something in the lines of "well, you can use it in Scenario Planner and some other stuff"... no you can't. You can use it in Scenario Planner and that's it. There's no other way of getting the F7 on any other route. And that pretty much decreases the whole value of loco DLCs (and to a limited extent, also route DLCs) IMO.
Not just TSW2, but also our Preserved Collection. I do remember that a while ago, TrainSim-Matt said that substitution happend automatically, as long as the loco met certain conditions/requirements. Not sure which requirements are set up to prevent the Dispolok BR182 not substituting for the other BR182s. (Or what's preventing the BR Blue 52 substituting on WSR, considering the route features both Class 52 locos and BR Blue era locos). I'm getting the feeling the substitution system isn't as automated as Matt claimed it to be.
I could be down to whether the route actually runs that type of train. Even though both a 52, it might have things that are present on one route and not in the other.
Yes, actually, you put it better. Our preserved collection is dead, even within the new wrapper of TSW3. And....i'm OK with that to a certain extent, although i do wish they had made an effort to bring some of the newer TSW2 content up to TSW3 standards. Maybe we'll see some of them extended and upgraded (a la SEHS) in the future? That being said, it makes it even more important to see new content in development for TSW3. Certainly a new UK route would be at the top of the list, but we also have a lack in TSW3 of US passenger/commuter rail, and German anything that isn't high-speed.
You know what that means for our TSW3 preserved content, once TSW4 is released... I mean, collecting virtual trains and routes is part of the hobby. What's the point when all kinds of restrictions are in place that prevent us from using our trains on any route within our collection? And this still is one of the major advantages of TSC. I could use any loco, no matter how dated or recent it is, on any route, no matter how dated or recent it is, without the need to create my own scenario. It means that whenever a Class 700 gets released, it may not be available in Timetable Mode on London Commuter. You'd need to rely on the cumbersome Scenario Planner.
I think the new strategy looks to be a better way of building your collection. But for me it's probably easier to swallow as I already had said good-bye to my TSW2 content. I have a few routes like Dresden and Koln on Xbox but since TSW3 they have become like what preserved collections routes where in TSW2. They look different so I don't like to play them all that much. Looking forward to new German routes where the BR182 will be layering. Not looking back anymore
For the PC players: I just published a mod that lets the Dispolok BR 182 substitute onto most German freight services. https://www.trainsimcommunity.com/m...s-substitution-enabled-dispolok-railpool-mrce
My thinking was that DB Regio Sudost and VVO would have used Dispolok 182 Yellow Paint and MRCE 182 Black Paint if these three are out of service 146.0 146.2 143 are out of service on S1 Meissen to Bad Schandau/Schona.
Not an S-Bahn service, but the Dispoloks got around on DB Regio trains in their time: https://www.flickr.com/photos/126584084@N05/14948439275/
I've not looked but I suspect that the Dispolok 182 has a "Dispolok" tag on it - which will mean that all the german services with "DB Cargo" tag on them won't let the Dispolok sub. I'll get someone to check tomorrow and if that's the case, i'll talk to Adam about getting that on his list to fix. Matt.
Can confirm, I just added "DB Cargo Deutschland" to the 182's RVD with my mod and it was available everywhere.
While we're on the subject of substitution, what's preventing the BR Blue Class 52 to be used on WSR?
https://forums.dovetailgames.com/th...-notes-save-game-ui-improvements.60657/unread Good News Everyone. The Dispolok BR 182 should now be available as a Substitute.
