According to the roadmap article, dtg is currently developing a new ACUK route set in 2011+ with two new locos, what could this route be ? i’m speculating an ECML south as the only two trains that need to be added as of now are the 717 and the 800
It seems to be one existing and one new, so that could be the 315 (same as CCL's 314... ish) and either 321 or 360. Do Liverpool St to Southend Victoria, so you get the metro (pre liz-line) and the 20 minute service to Southend. Is about an hours journey, plus the southminster branch. Gives you the ONE and NXEA licence. Or if Abelio have had a change of heart
I still suspect the Elizabeth Line may be on the cards. We know from NY-Trenton that reusing existing assets is a possibility...
or we could get it to ipswich like in TSC and get a 321, 360 and class 90. But i have another feeling that we are getting a route that is going to stretch the legs of the 700
There's nothing in the roadmap that says the new DLC has multiple trains, and in any case the Elizabeth Line runs along the now-electrified GWML which uses 387s - which we already have...
Would be weird to set a route around a train coming as a dlc, though, would be insulting to make you pay twice, which is why I suspect it probably won't be.
it would be like the amtrak acela, a totally different loco dlc that layered into NYT and boston sprinter
After reading through their LAMP technique for creating new routes, i feel like it’s going to be summers big release. I feel like at this point it has to be an ecml route, most likely London - Peterborough as with the 700 coming in summer and already also having a 387, i feel the chances of this route being added really are increasing, but only time will tell. Regardless, really looking forward to whatever it is being modern and AC
also to add to my point a lot people thought maybe mml south would come to tsw as we would then be able to stretch the legs of the 700, so we can safely rule that out as ofc diesel meridians operate on the mml south
Definitely not. It has 3 different signalling systems and there are no assets for the PSDs. The timetabling for the volume of services running simultaneously would be a nightmare too. They can just about run it IRL without it causing issues
I predict something to do with the south coast. Portsmouth to Waterloo or something summery along those lines.
My guess? I reckon it's WCML Birmingham New Street - Crewe. License? Tick AC Electric? Tick Fits with the Epic leak? Tick (don't go looking for spoilers kids) Birmingham and Crewe (sort of) already in game? Tick About the right length? Tick (53 miles via the direct route, add another 26 if you're going via Stoke as well) And I'm sure Sam said a little while back that Birmingham 'wouldn't be empty forever' or something along those lines. Might also include the line via Stoke-on-Trent as I think that could include layering from the MML release. I don't think the route is likely to be the Blackpool rumoured route as only the North branch is electrified and that would be far too short for a route release (I think).
The Class 700 and an ECML South route are the top of my wishlist and a next logical step for DTG, so here's hoping!
My money is on one of the following: - The leaked Preston route - A route for the 700 so either: ECML South with the 700, 387 and 800 MML South with the 700 and 360.
If it’s not birmingham to crewe then it’s london to birmingham i think. But i really think they would do an ECML over the WCML because of the sheer time it takes to make stations or it could be a trent valley wcml
but a MML route was just made ? Definitely an ECML south we have got 2/5 Classes that operate there 387, 700 (80x which is same train design different liveries 717 same design different front ) and 91 which would be in a loco pack 3
Spoiler(ish) alert: There are several unidentified route codes: CB, AAE and PFV. Everything else from the Epic leak has either been announced or released at this point, and I can't find any other sensible modern AC Electric routes that fit to one of those.
the one AC route we know of is preston to blackpool and JD confirmed it’s not coming out anytime soon (and tinfoil hats on) JD said on stream that Alan Thomson Sim had just finished laying tracks for their first route, and Alan Thomson sim has a WCML missing link + Blackpool branch, so surely as it’s their first TSW route, they would do something their familiar with, and this begs the question of what the route could be
Cardiff to Bristol Temple meads is about 40 miles long, JTs route is supposedly 40 miles long so that means
If it's ECML would prefer something north of York, maybe Newcastle to Berwick. London to Birmingham far too long, UK routes are getting shorter so look in the 30 - 40 mile range. Frankly yet another modern(ish) electrified commuter route in Southern/Home Counties England fills me with no great desire to rush out and purchase, unless it's something really iconic.
I think DTG might go above and beyond for this one WCML, i doubt it, but to stretch the legs of the 700 an ECML south is looking very likely. It’s got less stations than BML while being 26 miles longer and we already have 2 trains that run on the ECML. Next two trains will be the class 717 and 80x (with a 91 in a future loco bundle)
We don't know that the AC route is Preston - Blackpool - in fact given that the AC Electric part of that route is only 17 miles, I'd be extremely surprised if that were the AC route. I think it's far more likely the Just Trains Era 5 route is Preston - Blackpool with all three branchlines.
Would love to see the Great Eastern with the class 321. Especially now the 321s have finished their scheduled service and only have one more day of a charity event on 29th April. ECML would be awesome too. Exciting times I feel.
The route code for the new DTG route is 3.GBB-R7 04 B means AC electric, and there are two Bs, so both included trains will be AC electric only. Every variant of the 700 is a multi-current AC/DC dual mode (K according to the code) as none of the variants are AC only, so if it is the ECML South, the 700 would be a layer at best. The 387 is also multi-current (K), and the 800 is an electro diesel (E), so it leaves very little for an ECML post-2011 route unless DTG are about to develop both the 365 and the 91, which would both be fully new (365 could borrow minor elements from other networker-types such as 166 and 465 but it'd still be new). With that said, perhaps the 800/1 variant classifies as a B as the diesel generator is not for ordinary use. Based on experience, they are only likely to build one fully new train, which means the other will have to be something cobbled together from another existing loco. Current AC locos in the game are: - 323 from Birmingham Cross City - 314 from Cathcart circle - 385 from Edinburgh - Glasgow All 3 of the above could realistically appear on part of the WCML, the 314 around the Glasgow suburbs end of the WCML, the 385 between Carstairs and Glasgow, and the 323 around the Midlands or Manchester. So my best guess would be a WCML section, making use of one of the above. GEML could make use of a 314 re-modelled into a 315, then the 'new' loco could be a 90 or a 321, or it could be an electrostar 379 on the West Anglia lines to Stansted, with the new loco being a 317, but I doubt either tbh as unless Abellio play ball, the era would be odd and Liverpool st would be half empty.
the 801 is purely emu… it could be 700-800-387-91, as 717s depart from moorgate only, there’s no 717s from Kings X
Yet London Commuter is coded GCC- although the 387 is dual-mode, on this particular route it only runs on 3rd-rail DC. Since the ECML is OHLE-equipped, the 700s and 800s would run on it using pantos all the time and would apparently still qualify for BB coding. AFAICT, the only K code in TSW to date is SEHS, since the Javelin actually switches modes midway. EDIT: also LGV (FKK-R7-01), since the Duplex also switches modes outside Marseilles
Well, it changes from the LGV panto to the "normal" panto as it approaches Marseilles. EDIT: the "normal" panto is indeed DC, and the route is coded FKK (France, dual-mode)
no cathcart circles more known abbreviation is CCL if anything, they’re talking about the route code IDs
London Commuter's code is GCC-R7 03- Great Britain, third rail electric (twice), Route set in Era 7 (2011-present), the 3rd one (after Bakerloo GCC-R7-01 and Isle of Wight GCC-R7-02. GCC-R7-04 is IoW 22).
