Ecml Hot Seat Tsrs

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  1. thomastl59374

    thomastl59374 Well-Known Member

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    I assume in reality a driver would be aware of exactly where the TSR would be so that they know when to slow down in time for it and not go sailing through a 30 mph restriction at 110mph. By the time the scenario tells you that you're at the first TSR you've practically gone through it and then it doesn't say where the second one will be. You can't slow down from 120mph to 30 in the distance it gives for the TSR so either having them on the hood or knowing where they are would help improve the realism of the scenario. Upon doing a bit of research as well, I found that sometimes TSRs come with their own AWS magnets.
     
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    Yeah a driver would be made aware before leaving the depot, I’m sure.

    There should still be temporary AWS boards that are positioned far enough away so you can slow down, or are they just not in the scenario?
     
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  3. matt#4801

    matt#4801 Well-Known Member

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    Yes, in real life a TSR would be known about. I haven't done the scenario due to reading feedback on here about the inaccuracy of the TSR and accompanying signage, which if I remember rightly were just placed randomly and certainly not correct.
     
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    thomastl59374 Well-Known Member

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    I certainly didn't get any AWS warning before the restriction it just appeared out of nowhere between Grantham and Peterborough
     
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    It seems like they forgot about it or did I not pay attention?
     
  6. OldVern

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    I'm just trying this scenario now and it is ignoring the Rule Book completely as regards TSR's or ESR's. There are no "Dalek" boards for the ESR's and the distance between the warning board and commencement board is insufficient to brake down from line speed, as well as no AWS magnet at the warning board. In addition, as noted if these are ESR's trains would be stopped and advised by the signaller at the last controlled signal - you wouldn't get a text message from Emily!

    The first restriction also had the T board followed by a spate board.

    Well I guess it's intended as a bit of fun, but I'm going to self impose a maximum speed of 75 MPH to give me enough time to slow down.

    Oh and the TSR/ESR are not appearing on the mini HUD or on the HUD line speed. Just static scenery.
     
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  7. bescot

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    We have the same problem in one of the Goblin line scenarios. No braking distance, followed by several incorrectly used R (reminder) boards followed by a T then a SPATE board lol. Marred an otherwise excellent product slightly.
     
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  8. OldVern

    OldVern Well-Known Member

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    You would have thought if DTG are going to attempt this type of realistic scenario they would check with the in house or external experts or refer to the Rule Book or these days RSSB documentation which I would there is a copy in the DTG offices or they have an account to access the online version.

    By my rule of thumb reckoning, for a 30 MPH TSR/ESR on a 125 MPH line, the warning board needs to be at least 2000 yards in rear of the commencement board, given in the time it takes to react and apply the brakes the train may already have travelled quarter of a mile at that speed. Trying to wrack my brain how far behind the warning board the ESR Dalek should be placed. Think it’s 400 yards but maybe someone can confirm that.

    Lord help us if we ever get T3 or single line working how it will be implemented!
     
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    ESR can be anything from 200m - 400m from the advance speed indicator yep Vern
     

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