Out Now Edinburgh - Glasgow: Engineering Express Pack - Out Now

I am looking forward to this when it releases on Steam. It will be great to have more services and AI on a route I enjoy driving.

I hope to find some existing runs that have changed with the addition of the new layer.

I am enjoying a “rediscovery” of driving the Azuma on ECML and would love a similar gameplay pack for that route to make a few of the runs not quite routine.

 

Very nice liveries, buyed today

 

Can anyone explain what is included in this pack?
Two liveries for the 66, I got that.
How many scenarios? Timetable services?

 

I may be doing somthing wrong,,i found 1 service from Haymarket to Falkirk Grahamston

 

From what I’ve seen so far, it’s 10 services - the ONE 66 has 2 385 drags & the DRS is majority seacow wagon runs.

5 scenarios.

Edit here - Both units are selectable on most other 66 services in other routes as a substitution, there appears to be certain services it’s not available to sub in on. BCC seems to be the most affected as it only has one playable service. The DRS one at least has the RHTT control unit in the cab too, although notably none of the services it subs into are RHTT runs. MML appears to be mostly the new cargo pack runs. I can’t really tell what the algorithm for the subs are with this pack. Rivet or DTG need to properly address the pack, but it appears neither seem to care.

DTG & Rivet need to step up here, the pricing of this pack is egregious, the skins are low quality & as far as the interior is concerned, it’s still an EWS 66. The communication of the content is woeful, no clear indication of the content of this pack.

All around this is a piss poor performance from the chucklebrothers of train simulation.

 

2 liveries, 5 scenarios and few services whit both liveries

 

Purchased this add on today. Nice to have some additional services to drive on the Edinburgh - Glasgow route. The scenarios are interesting too.

 

Nobody finds the price outrageous for so little content? Just me?

 

I got it for less than $11.50 USD with the bundle discount; I already own Edin- Glas. I can hardly buy a good burrito for that.

 

Oh don't worry I do as well. And the ONE 66 doesn't even have the correct coupler for crying out loud

 

If the premise of this pack is that you would routinely send a Class 66 out to rescue a failed EMU in traffic, they have got the concept a bit off centre. Class 66's with adaptor couplers are not likely to be sitting around "spare" waiting for this eventuality. In fact like any modern traction fleet most are going to be in traffic working booked services with a certain quota on maintenance.

However if a Class 385 failed the first thing you would try and assist with is another 385. If the fault transmitted then you would have a fitter drop the electrical connections so the unit could be hauled at dead slow speed possibly as a "swinger" to clear the line to a loop or siding. Before using a loco to assist you would also attempt an on site repair with a fitter. Rounding up a loco and an adapter coupling would take hours to arrange and would be a last resort.

 

Can anyone share a photo of the new 66 coupler for the 385 please? And has anyone tried in free roam coupling it to either the 801 or the SEHS javelin please? Thank you

 

Here you go:

 

Thanks.

 

10 services...? Is that all? Thanks, but no thanks. I'll pass

 

Nope more than that showing in the journeys as well as scenarios.

 

I'm reading comments that neither the DRS or ONE sub in on any other timetables. Might have been worth a punt, but if I could only drive/see them on Edinburgh why bother?

 

It would appear from a bit of testing on SEHS and ECML, the DRS & ONE 66s only sub in as AI, if you are using one of those liveried 66s as the service you will be driving. In that instance, you may then see multupile 'As One, We Can' 66s next to each other, which kills the immersion!

Otherwise, you will see the usual EWS variants, if you say load a 801 or EWS 66 service.

 

There are 8 services for the DRS 66 & 2 for the One 66.

8+2 makes 10 for me, not sure where you’re getting more services from.

You can select them in place of any other 66 service on other routes, not sure if AI traffic is using them though.

 

Can you check, for example the Cross City timetable and compare what trains are available to drive in the EWS versions vs the ONE/DRS ones? There's just one service available according to what I've seen on Discord.

 

I don’t have the DLC personally, that’s just from various videos and streams I’ve gathered.

So after rechecking a couple of things, I’ve updated a comment on the official thread.

Edit here - Both units are selectable on most other 66 services in other routes as a substitution, there appears to be certain services it’s not available to sub in on. BCC seems to be the most affected as it only has one playable service. The DRS one at least has the RHTT control unit in the cab too, although notably none of the services it subs into are RHTT runs.

 

I never saw any pictures nor videos of Class 66 ONE equipped with knuckle couplers, is this a thing in real life ?

 

Nope, they’re fake.

 

Oh cool another one on the “inaccuracies list” from this lazy DLC…

 

Unfortunately realism is slipping more and more with TSW.

 

disappointed that the wheels on the seacow wagons (not the trains) suffer from the blurring that was typical of early TSW releases, I thought this would have been sorted out prior to release. Also the services I tried had only 6 loaded seacow wagons attached to the train. Was such a low wagon count usual on this route?

 

Yeah I noticed that for a while sadly… they can produce some good content like the BR193 but the next one is a big joke.

 

The one that got me is the regular morning service dragging a class 385 to Waverley; are we dumping a broken down train at the station? ...or is it just that we are not signed on the Class 385 so taking it there for another driver?
Still, at least we are now allowed to take a Class 385 across Almond Valley Viaduct (36 Arch Viaduct) at the SP limit of 90Mph: the sectional appendix seems to be missing the bit about the Class 380 and 385 enhanced speed limit dispensation requiring a Class 66 to be attached with a top speed of 75 Mph.

I'm trying to think positive but there is so much wrong with the Edinburgh - Glasgow add-on that should have been fixed before this was released, and Rivet have made some great stuff, just not in the country they are based in.

It's nice taking the Seacows at 60Mph along the line and looking at the lovely scenery through the big windscreen.

 

That’s how it would work in an ideal world. However scotrail fleet is used heavily and they don’t just have 385s siting around spare they are all out in use constantly during traffic hours.

 

In that case to clear the line you would terminate a train formed of a Class 385, take the passengers off and use that to assist. If a train has failed then nothing behind it will be moving anyway.

I worked for many years as a Railway Controller both with Regional Railways/Wales and West and Network Rail and there were very clear contingencies laid down if a DMU or EMU failed. You did not faff about trying to send out locos with adaptor couplings to do the job. The only time I actually arranged that was in the big freeze of 1990 when a 155 sat down at Keynsham on the Down Main with the air system all frozen up. After discussing the situation with Canton it was agreed another Sprinter type unit would not be able to overcome the fault, so a Class 47 was fetched off Bath Road with a fitter to attach the emergency coupler and air connections. This went on the front of the failed tran and dragged it clear at 10 MPH to Temple Meads.

 

I guess Avanti and LNER must have no clue what they are doing then giving they use rescue locos.

the Edinburgh to Glasgow route is a heavily used route irl and short with a depot at either end as well as many freight routes and sidings. Chances of having a loco to use are much higher than other places

 

As much as I dare say you know more than me.
That wouldn't explain why there was a 'thunderbird' 37 or 66 that sat outside of the two depots I worked from in Essex that had these units.
(this was in the last 10 years or so)

The 66 was a standby for a long term overhaul of the infrastructure, but the 37 was there for years just idling and waiting for the call to assist whatever needed it.

 

Each traction type is different. If you take FGW's HST fleet these could be hauled by a Class 47 or Class 57 with standard coupling but there were only certain sub classes of Class 66 that could couple to the HST drawbar. It was actually very unusual to have a HST assist another HST and on the few occasions it was attempted, there were issues getting brake release. On the other hand there were occasions when the loco hauled Night Riviera failed and assistance was provided by a pair of back to back HST power cars which coupled on front of the knackered 57.

So not saying it's impossible but so far as 385s are concerned still seems a bit of an implausible premise on which to base an expansion pack

 

AFAICT, that sort of on-call utility work is handled by old 37s.

 

Its OK ,, but that's all. The route still feels very empty to me. I know the area very well...even driven some of it, back in the day.

 

Yes but imagine buying a bad burrito for that haha

 

This is such a waste of money without a bug fix for the route.

 

Why what bug fix can the pack do to fix the route ?? It can’t what you actually mean is the route needs a bug fix.

 

I think it means why release a gameplay pack for the route, before fixing whatever bugs it has.

 

I have to admit, this is rather poor, the cost of living is hitting a lot of people rather hard. If you have money to throw away, by all means buy it. I don't know what the thought process is of DTG at the moment, but it certainly seems to be going in the wrong direction. If it was a GWR fully electrification paid update, or a slam door add on for London To Brighton, or even or an SEHS extension to Folkstone and Dover. Id buy these. But soooooo much recycling old products is NOT a good business strategy. People are just not going to buy it. But hey ho, what do I know!!!!

 

It's a Rivet product, not DTG

 

I suspect DTG still have a fairly close overview/oversight of what the associates are doing. They publish the content and presumably grab a slice of the take, so they bear some responsibility for agreeing to host and sell such mundane content.

 

I agree, it's as much their fault, but Rivet should take some blame for releasing it as it is in the first place.

 

the main developer, in this case Rivet have total responsibility, though as DTG is publisher I would say it’s fair to state they share responsibility for state of release and / overall product released.

 

Check the contradiction!!??

 

you can still have total and share otherwise it would be rivet/any 3rd party having to give up a section of their own product

3rd party can do everything the publisher can do, but the publisher can’t do everything the 3rd party can (make changes to a route etc)

 

DTG can & have made changes, requests, delayed & even ‘taken over’ previous third party content.

Both the publisher & developer share responsibility for their content IMO, one doesn’t work without the other.

 

I got this yesterday. I notice that the 66 timetables are all class 5 trains which is fine for the unit drags but not the freights.
Does anyone know what class(es) the freights are? The one I drove was relatively light for a freight so presumably class 4?
It was nice to bob along at 60 mph, but the 66 was barely out of step 1 or 2 the whole way once up to speed.

 

The headcode will tell you.