Enough Is Enough!!!

My apologies to you both and others if you felt that I was being insensitive. I'll state again that I was purely concerned about the piles of abuse regularly heaped on rennekton who, while being a stauch advocate of dtg, doesn't deserve the personal attacks. The amount of likes that such comments attract is a symptom to me almost of a pack culture. Its bizarre to me how attempting to defend someone causes more offence than the action that caused that defence to materialise, but I also appreciate that my attempt was clumsy, however well meaning.

I confess to being out of touch on the currently acceptable framing for such things. No hurt was intended and I'd be disappointed with myself if I felt that hurt was caused. Nevertheless, I also think a measured response is appropriate, after all at no point did anyone ask me what I meant, or sought to clarify my comment.

Having googled the term I used, it seems to be in fairly common use..? Where I went wrong is not understanding that it relates to autism specifically. In hindsight I should have made my point in much more general terms.

 

Zero offence taken my dude, my attitude to everything and everyone is ah fook it everyone is still breathing and no damage has accured, so who cares, this time tomorrow nobody will remember any of this anyway......

 

Page 112? Here's something German for you...

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a same here i hated school ended up in the special ed classes in 5th grade and was picked on ridiculed etc my accedemics were poor barely graduated high school ..one time they wanted me to stay after school to sit in on a gifted and talented students meeting i told my special ed teacher why do they want me to go my grades certainly not gifted and talented level more opposite of it .so i went and the teacher in that meeting gave us a project we all got the same items to work with ,we had to build a structure but he expected fancy mathmatical stuff and calculations i told him i not do it that way cause my math skills are bad told him i will figure it out another way best i know how to. Anyways i built a bridge and part of the assignment after was a stress test of all structures basically we put wheights on it till it failed mine made it to 3rd place before it failed ,the teacher then was shocked cause i didnt use all kind fancy math to build it i told him i look at train bridges they built sturdy to handle heavy trains so i incorpoated that factor in etc .also i read train magazines i like trains and like to learn what i can about them

 

The people behind TSG were very vocal over on Railsim in the past, that they are moving to TSW because TSC does not make any money. The whole 101 Expert Line thing really suprisses to me to be honest. Why not just keep churning out standard locos and 40 mile routes to make money? It was the reason why the left Train Sim Classic.

 

One dictated by spin unfortunately. Get the new SOS and relive Steam with TSW then dropped. Same with BR era diesel stuff and other areas too. Why no more TGV or old school America freight. Why are some 3rd parties allowed to produce stuff that is potentially less realistic than planting a Hornby smoky Joe on a table top OO and claiming its a full replica of the Cornish mainline.

The grip is tight indeed as is party lines that get trotted out every so often. I often read them on what they don't say as the truth is between the lines.

 

The 101 Expert is not part of all that (the general daily TSG work). TSG will further pushing out simple cheap products for sure. The Expert loco pack is just a way to show off what could be possible and what TSW can really do in terms of physics simulation and functionality. The people working on it are doing it in their spare time mostly. Does not affect the assembly line style production of standard cheap low quality TSG DLCs. No worries...

 

what are the actual traction/braking characteristics of the BR101 in the prototype?

It is a thoroughly modern, highly automated high performance high speed express passenger AC traction locomotive capable of great performance under all conditions.

Is it slippery in the prototype under adverse weather for instance?
prone to certain chronic malfunctions due to faulty design?
forgiving of driver indifference due to the traction electronics compensating?

Just trying to figure out what 'expert physics' the DLC will have and what that real world train driver thinks about it .....

 

Ok, so like the route upgrade passion projects we have seen lately. Thanks for clarifying.

I´m not worried at all, because I´ve stopped buying DLC for TSW. Just like to keep up on what´s going on with other train simulators.

 

Would honestly love a better 101 and cab car, however my personal wishes as a long-time TSW customer are:

• that it should seamlessly replace the existing one in all routes where the existing 101 is part of the timetable.
• that it can be driven normally without all the fancy "expert" features.
• that the price should reflect the current pricing structure for a "train" DLC without a route. Happy to pay a little more for TSG quality as long as it's not excessive.

So the bottom line is, the first in the list cannot be done until DTG fixes /improves the substitution system. The second I understand will be possible. The third will eventually be possible if I wait for a 50%+ sale.

 

I think that’s all fair comment and a sale will be the likely course of action as generally I do like the TSG stuff and it does bring a touch of quality to the game. Essentially it’s a culture shock as regards the price, being so much more than anything hitherto seen in TSW, hot on the heels of the 218 which was a little more expensive than the accepted norm but we loved it or the earlier G6. There should have been a bit more easing us into the fact this was always going to cost substantially more than people might have been expecting.

Anyhow it will be interesting to hear from the stream if there are any planned introductory discounts, pre-order and maybe existing 101 owners to take (say) 20% off. That could be a deal sweetener…

 

There is no current pricing structure for such a extended product. This is a new category of a train only DLC. And i may repeat other says, but this is not targeted to the casual user. If you don't want to fiddle with all the stuff, use the old one and you will be happy. Of course, you will not have the cab car, but that is nothing TSG can change. The expert 101 with cab car is a 3rd party product and can't change any DTG product in any way (we can't provide discounts for existing owners as that would be money missing on the TSG end and TSG never got any money from the original 101 sales, so, financially and economically impossible to do). And no, the cab car is not hiding behind a pay wall. It is just part oft that product. Without the 101 Expert there would be no offer to have the cab car at all. Simple as that. If you only want to have the cab car for cheap, that's not the product for you. And there are no intentions to make a simple version of it yet.

 

Regarding pricing, does that mean the Expert 101 will be the same price as other recent loco packs?

As for cost I don't really mind not getting a discount for owning the original, I've had the original on PC and PS4 for a while now and got my money's worth, and the two packs are quite different in scope. Perhaps DTG could consider discounting the original to set the two apart more for new users but I don't think it would be important.

 

Agree, at least the 101 formation was a good choice for a trial .

 

I can’t see a discount for the expert 101 even if I was buying it. After all the rehashed Scotrail 158 from Skyhook didn’t offer a discount for owners of the MML.
I might get it on deep sale in the future just for the cab car.

 

i am pretty sure people mentioned this before- the more i think about it the more i think it can make sense and doable maybe? Class 91 and MK4 for expert. easy 30 pounds from me.

Oh wait licensing problems....

 

They have the LNER license. I think the issue with doing the 91 would be getting time with one for modelling etc. There’s only 5 in service daily, plus a couple of spares which they rotate for repairs etc.

 

user emil on discord recently found an asset on art station, this asset is found near tring on the WCML, and this model is contracted to…rivet games?

it seems like rivet is giving DTG a hand in the stations on (redacted route I can’t say for legal reasons)

 

I’ve just had a look on street view. This building looks to be almost directly outside the station. Looks like a good rendition!

 

Well DTG can hardly expect us to ignore that, when one of the sub contractor’s sub contractors splashes one of the models on an art site and ends up on social media! Does give an interesting insight into the processes and fuels my suspicion that DTG are now employing fewer and fewer full time staff making the content. It’s all outsourced.

And my expectations for WCML South have just taken a complete nose dive, if Rivet are involved. After recent performance and the debacle that is still WCL and the Class 150, they should have been sacked, not given a high profile commission…

 

Maybe nobody else wants to do it? But yes Rivets quality in TSW is not great in my opinion either. Another wait for the 80% discount job then uninstall...

 

Why should that be? Rivet have been making stuff for DTG for years. Normally we wouldn’t know exactly what they have made but they make a lot of assets for DTG’s routes. There’s absolutely no need to have a negative attitude to them potentially being involved in the creation of another DTG route as it is what they do all the time alongside their own DLC.

 

So long as they stick to making static assets that will be fine. Just don’t allow them anywhere near the route itself or the trains in particular. Sorry, but their own work for TSW is generally very poor.

 

I have never seen a "low quality" TSG DLC.

 

Well, the work they did on some of the Cathcart stations wasn’t actually too bad, however, since the absolute disaster that was Fife, I’ve been sceptical of rivet.

 

They're good at modelling their stations and trains, and can do good scenarios.

Anything else doesn't seem to work.

 

On PS4 i actually managed to complete part 1 of the railtour from Preston to Blackpool South with the class 20s. My first go on this run and got platinum.

This is the first time I've been able to complete a service from Preston to Blackpool, although this was Blackpool South. Also managed a short freight trip with the 31 on Seacow wagons, and then another run with the 16 ton mineral wagons.

However I've not been able to complete any services with the 8F , as this results in a blue screen crash on PS4, this occurs in auto firing mode, or manual. This is rather disappointing as it's the only steam tour on the route. I had hoped to get a DLC without bugs, I'm not sure if I can complete a diesel a hauled service from Blackpool to Preston as yet. I've only run the class 20 tour. While the BPO is nicely detailed, it spoils the DLC if some of the timetables are not useable. The ECML Flying Scotsman runs are also full of bugs on PS4.

Is everyone on PS5 now? as some routes seem less prone to bugs on PS5.

 

I think that perhaps when using the steam locomotives the game verges close to the memory limit on PS4 whilst the PS5 doesn't need to worry about it as much. I presume that if you ran those services on PS5 but using the PS4 version of the game, you would not encounter any crashes. As for general bugs, they may just be an issue with the services itself.

 

apparently i am only hearing from others how LNER didnt let DTG do the Class 91 or just didnt give them the rights to do it or something.

 

All i can say is that the last part (going to Blackpool North) of the route section is also pretty lagging on PS5, even in a Pacer.

This gives memories to DRA where you simply couldn't reached Dresden Hbf because of performance on PS4. For DTG this was "ready to release".... A route where you couldn't get to the main stations Terminus....

 

Just to be clear, I am one of those people and I did not explicitly say that LNER didn't let DTG make a Class 91, just that they may not allow them to release an LNER-branded 91 in the future. We have received no communication on this from DTG, so it's in the list of possibilities rather than the list of facts.

 

Pinched from the discord! Alex has just confirmed that the long awaited Suspension update goes live TODAY

Can’t believe it DTG, you actually got suspension out before tsw5, I’m impressed

certainly took you long enough, I mean, you definitely could have got it done 3 months ago, but alright

 

The fact that they've clunkily cut it from the TSW4 announcement presentation and it took them a year to finish it... yikes. Hope all TSW4 buyers are happy to finally get it, because soon you have to buy the next pack of promises. If they finished this now, I doubt they have much ready for the next one, maybe a 500th UI change.

 

1) Lets wait and see if it works first, without introducing a whole new set of issues, and that its hopefully not rushed because of a need to shoehorn it in to fit with the release of another product.

2) It would have been terminal for a few I suspect if it meant buying the product again to gain access to a feature that was to have shipped with the current iteration.

Its a great feature and Im glad its in (although I wont see it as Im still on TSW3, but Im ok with that), but if people start being impressed at features shipping just prior to the probable cessation of support for an iteration, then the bar is indeed now set very low..

 

Trouble never ends!

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Was talking about the 91s yes.

 

Welp, there’s the suspension update out, only delayed by 12 months of course. Wowee, congrats dtg

 

I think you can apologise to him They did delivered in time

 

Is Suspension even working? I'm driving the Azuma now, the cab shakes and that's it. No jumping up and down. Didn't it shake before?

 

Turns out, I looked at the discord, and the suspension doesn’t even work after the update, yes, the update that took 12 months to release


Gg guys

 

So, US content gets the shaft again? We don't even get to see it until another "supposed" update in the future.....

But it doesn't seem like it works anyway so, eh.

 

Yep suspension hasn‘t changed one bit from the last build cheeky bees

 

"Suspension" = jumping on the switches? That's all?

 

Yes, we US fans are so used to getting the short end of the stick, it's no surprise anymore. It's clearer than ever that DTG couldn't give a fig about North America.

Truth is though, this suspension feature is iffy at best if the Blackpool Pacer is any indication. It's rather like the eye adaptation feature, no one asked for it and the dev's time would have been better spent fixing some of the long-standing bugs in the game instead of wasting their time on eye candy-type features.

 

Oh boy, what a dumpster fire this is

they really released something that was delayed by 12 months; and now they broke it, during the release.

An utter mess.

 

Hopefully they'll get it working soon, but it would be nice to at least sometimes have my expectations of DTG exceeded. Trust me, it wouldn't take a lot, starting with just doing what they say they're going to do.

The enthusiasm for DTG here is latent, it just needs to be tapped. Talk about making it difficult though. Still, we live in hope.

 

Nevermind what I said

 

ouch, apparently this update had nothing to do with the suspension at all, it was a “mixup” within DTG.

Absolute mess this is, truly

 

After 10 mins Still a NO GO... No international Rescue :\

 

Thats correct wrong patch information so no update there now! Later i hope!