Enough Is Enough!!!

Or even worse thought, the trains.

 

Pendolino be sounding like an electrostar when they're done with it.

Full TMS functionality but the P.I.S is extremely basic and the wrong font. Guard panels work but the door lights don't illuminated and the 390's windows touch the rails when it tilts.

 

Thank god. Though after fife I'm not sure they should even be allowed that

 

I hope they get their act together. A bit like a school band at the minute.

 

Just had to look that up. Looks like a Fiat Multipla on rails...

 

Let's have the Midland Railway Class 115 loco #673 as a mascot for this page


By Gillett's Crossing from Bristol, United Kingdom - File:MR_4-2-2_673,_Rocket_150,_Rainhill,_May_1980_Slides184_(9859805644).jpg, CC BY-SA 2.5, https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?curid=85571973

 

Why you cant shared this? This is open acces data and not stolen. DTG can do nothing against open data. Its something different if its closed beta information.

The date is real for sure. This comes from the Epic data sheets so noting forbidden

 

Than we can expect a EA for the Deluxe Edition from september 12 and final release september 17 i think.

 

They did this with tsw3/tsw4? I mean early acces for those who buy deluxe edition.

 

Please don't turn this into another speculation thread...

 

Yeah they did this last year!

 

DTG can not stop this.... This is how this days are now.... And trust me there will come more

 

Very well said fella.

 

You might not think DTG are greedy but others do!
You correctly state that DTG ‘are trying to make a living’ but why do they insist on giving away multiple keys on different formats to their Ambassador’s, some of which I know don't play TSW! Those ‘free’ keys are ultimately paid for by us punters….DTG really need to look at that particular aspect of their business…

 

That means I have to think the same? No.

I think I sense envy in your post. It's called PR. Ever wondered why big companies are sponsoring Youtubers? Because that's how advertising works nowadays. DTG seem to benefit from their ambassador "influencers", so they're giving something back to them. It's much cheaper than paying expensive PR agencies for campaigns actually.

How often did I read something like "after watching DadRail's stream, I decided to purchase"... DTG themselves probably know pretty well how awkward their own bedroom streams are, lack of knowledge how to operate trains, horrible sound setup etc.

The formula is simple, gift one key and get at least two or more paying customers in addition. I doubt this doesn't work. They're not taking anything away from you.

And again, if you want to have a saying on their finances, you have to become a shareholder. Sounds harsh, but unless you are a shareholder it is simply none of your business, just as your neighbour shouldn't tell you in a patronising way what to spend your money on and not.

 

No envy here…I dont want to be in DTG’s pocket and nor do I have the time or inclination to stream or produce video’s for any software company.
Whilst I dont disagree with the crux of your point I still stand by my point that the free keys given away to ambassadors are paid for by every paying customer!

 

Or, more likely, they're announcing six routes, barely any of which are close to being finished. More of a commitment to make them than an announcement.

DTG know what routes they're making months before any announcement is made - they're just moving the time they announce them all to one day to make it seem more substantial.

If it's public information (which as it's on the EpicDB I presume it is) there's nothing they can do about it.

 

watch all of those route being half baked and i suggest everybody start moving to TSC.

 

What's all this about 6 Routes? Oh - I understand - the three that should have been released under TSW4 and then the new three.

 

I guess too it contains that shazam line route teased before

 

I already did..move over to TSC and i am enjoying it Longer routes on NA UK better variety of both freight and passenger old and new .

 

i can not play TSC anymore. way too old school and the optimization ist LOVE.
Simrail would be a nice option compared to but 1 year for 1 DLC...

 

I’m actually thoroughly enjoying TSC at the moment, particularly now I set up my playing card randomiser system to pick a route. You’re never going to see the likes of Return To Maerdy in TSW, though must admit I cannot get the hang of running those battery electric locos without emptying the charge out. Going to swap it for a Class 14 Teddy Bear (also unlikely to ever see in TSW) and re attempt later on.

That said, it won’t distract me from getting TSW5 or whatever actually comes on 17th September. And at that point if we do indeed get six new routes, I’m going to have to write out a playing card randomiser for that game, too!

 

I am also enjoying TSC just got a PC so i am enjoying some of the other train sim s available. Trainz 19 and 22 , downloaded a Sim Rail demo to try ,Run 8 would be purchased if it was available on steam i only purchse from steam not savy with the file or 3rd party web buying ..If i get TSW 5 it will be for console since except for better graphics on a good pc its not really worth purchasing for pc to me so tsw will be my go to train sim on console

 

Yes that is the big draw back with Run 8. Their e-commerce system is in the dark ages. SimRail worth a look though maybe worth waiting for a sale. Their roadmap is even less robust than DTG’s for TSW!

 

tbf is there a way i can just get the UK stuff and not the others? It feels annoying when I purchased routes that I kinda dont want to play on.

 

I wonder if ATS are doing another portion of the WCML and DTG have already provided them the rolling stock.

 

If it follows suit from last year, there were regional starter packs for those who didn’t want all the new content in the standard or deluxe versions.

 

I know trainz has e commerce too there a lot of good community and 3rd party stuff purchasable there not all of it on steam even TSC has 3rd party e commerce paid and free..but again i only trust getting whats on dtg steam store. I am really enjoying the aspect in TSC playing retro stuff and having choices of playing more modern stuff on routes too and vise versa . A the time my favoite has been playing the csx haover sub with csx western maryland anchessie system era s same with the mountain sub .even passenger enjoy the modern Amtrak as well as older Amtrak and classic passenger as i buy more routes paks planning on getting the NYC Boston and albany and NH Springfield routes in near future

 

Such as the GWE scenario "Aggregate Industries" only the GWE 66 works on it afair because all of the other ones let you do almost the whole scenario before breaking it at the refueling point at the end of the scenario. DTG should have future proofed the game from the start so that a newer version of each rolling stock could overwrite the previous version just like when they update the routes

 

Problem with Trainz, is that while the route building tool is the best of all the sims, the driving experience remains dreadful in no small measure due to the many outdated assets and odd aliases for cab and sounds. No timetable mode per se and most often you need to set the route for your train as you go.

 

Nooooooo

 

I just tend to make routes for myself which is pretty awesome as there is no bar, you can do what you like. Otherwise I grab the pro pre-made routes in sales. I certainly wouldn’t bother with the download station thingy as that’s where all the missing assets ruin your experience.

 

No, it just means that their opinion differs to yours. Is that really such a crime?

One other thing: I actually watch quite a few of the "Dad Rail" content because as ambassadors go, he seems to be one of the very few who don't fixate on the "this wonderful, this is great" approach to what they're playing, but in all honesty I don't recall one instance where somebody has said "after watching a Dad Rail stream I decided to buy.....". Don't get me wrong, I'm sure there are instances where those words were indeed spoken but I'm also pretty sure that there a lot more infrequent than you're suggesting.

 

Funny. That is exactly the point I was trying to get across, that even if everybody thinks DTG are greedy I can have a different opinion on that, and I usually explain why that's the case. No accusations, and nothing criminal. A discussion lives from different opinions.

I find it patronising to tell them who to give free keys to, or if they donate keys to HumbleBundle etc. This all is the opposite of greed actually.

Of course, you can start a rally to stop them from doing this if you feel DLC are getting more expensive for you then. But, you'll need some facts and actual numbers to convince DTG that Ambassadors are unnecessary expenses, opinions won't suffice.

I stand by my point, it's just a case of being envious of some getting free keys. Envy will only hurt yourself.

 

Oh, hang on a minute, the (your) comment I quoted can interpreted in two ways...I can clearly see what you were saying now. Apologies.

 

No worries. The problem of the internet, misunderstandings because we cannot see each other.

 

Although I like this one even better ---->

 

This is something that gets at me too when I play it. I've been building a route on there for some time now and while I only use much newer assets, a lot of stuff you can find on there even in the base game is sometimes over 20 years old. You can literally have two trains alongside each other, one totally up to date with 3D modelling and textures with unique sounds, and the other effectively flat boxes with literal 2D phototextures and sounds that date back to 2004. Or a single really high detail loco surrounded by scenery and textures just about on par with the original Half Life.

This isn't even to mention the fact that if you actually want to be able to use stuff from the content manager, you have to deal with a lot of occurrences of missing dependencies. Alternatively sometimes you get faulty dependencies, at which point you have to practically become at least an amateur coder to fix things yourself.

I had this conversation once before elsewhere and took these pictures below to demonstrate.

 

I raise you...

 

That was the last Mercedes designed by Friedrich Geiger, who was followed by the legendary Bruno Sacco and his timeless and in many aspects groundbreaking W201 (known as 190 or Baby-Benz) and W126. I am driving a W203, which is the last car Sacco designed for Mercedes. The following Peter Pfeiffer models were much more "cluttered" and "obstructed" and less elegant imho than the italian design.

The Sacco family...

..ended here (my model)


The "190" happens to be in TSW, in a poor condition though...

 

Absolutely. Grandfather had the 280SE version. Beautiful, together with the R107. Later on a W126 - 420SE. Those were the times when Mercedes still knew how to built cars. Then they were haunted by a guy who shalln't be named ...

 

I've still got that Swatch we got handed over after the "glorious" merger with Chrysler, idea of a madman. It's not become a particularly valuable collector's watch...

My C220CDI is pretty reliable, 430,000 kms already - original engine, transmission and clutch still. Of course chassis parts / suspension needed replacement. Love it. Never let me down. Low consumption, high sustainability.

 

Great piece of iron! I love that period, Both BMW and Mercedes! Oddly enough I love both! My friend has an E 380SE W126 with 684k km! NEVER a problem!

 

Why? I still enjoy TSW, and besides, I can't use TSC as I can't fulfil its requirements.

 

Chief Designer.
Listen up team, Just how many doors can we fit on this new train?

 

Mind you, you get similar problems with TSC...

 

The problem with Trainz is that some stuff still available on the DLS is missing dependencies. Classic are the SR EMU’s which when created were aliased to a sound set that had allegedly been taken from elsewhere without permission. N3V took down the asset but the author of the stock never updated the EMU’s to use another set of sounds. So they can’t be placed in game as they come up as faulty, unless you go in and try to repair yourself. There’s also a complete set of various LUL assets, still listed but when you go to download get a message about withdrawn due to breach in T&C. So a bit of a mess!
In fact one could almost add N3V to the enough is enough sentiment, for completely losing control of their Download Station!

 

I think you could potentially say that Trainz is an example of a developer allowing their game to become too community driven. Don't get me wrong, the game is absolutely carried today by the vast array of community contributions, and some of its most popular releases ever such as S&C and ECML were third party. But go beyond the well known items on the download station and you find a mess of varying grades of content, dependencies being updated beyond their dependants and not always with a way to backdate them, and brand new TRS19 content being listed right alongside something made for TRS2004, and the vast majority of stuff is still built for TS2012.