Enough Is Enough!!! The Ongoing Saga!!! 3 Year Anniversary

Train Life. Never played it but there are other options on console (add a little pinch of sarcasm)

 

Come on surely you can see this was the fix everyone was crying out for!?

The core game will be available for free for the next month, this removes the age old arguement that people are "forced" or at least coerced into buying the new version - the core will be available free for a time (no arguments)

Those with the most to gain here are folks who chose not to upgrade to TSW4, They will be able to bring all there previously acquired routes bang up to date, and have at least one remaster to look forward to as well as many other issues fixed with the core.

Routes and locos can be purchased as desired, nobody has to buy what is in my opinion a good selection of routes, I imagine many will however, as I'm sure do DTG!

 

Agreed. As previously one of the more vociferous on these forums, having complained incessantly about paywalls and unwanted bundles, it's really good to see DTG being flexible enough to try out a different approach. They've already said its up for review so if it works, expect more of the same which would be great. Conversely if it doesn't, we won't.

For that reason alone I'm urging people to get on board, to buy in to dlc that might appeal. You can do this atm because the paywall has been removed and you can be more specific in your purchasing option.

If you genuinely don't agree, then I think the following decision making model applies-
BRAN. Benefit of complaining- marginal as DTG have already responded to criticism in this case. Risk- dtg will reverse this decision and any benefits will be lost.
Alternative- I'm not seeing any in the very few negative posts I'm seeing.
Nothing- doing nothing is the option here too. If you don't agree with what DTG have done, just sit back and do nothing, or provide an alternative that is realistic and economically viable if doing nothing isn't your way.

 

Looking forward to the Just Trains route as the lineside will look real. The normal TSW routes are devoid of trackside infrastructure and
appear to use stock instead of custom assets in places. The comparison between Just Trains TSC Midland Main Line and Skyhooks
TSW Midland Main Line is night and day. There is overbridges missing in the TSW route and those that are there are completely
different to reality.

 

Uhhm another ICE and German route is _in fact_ something new, this route hasnt been seen before in TSC, is 100+ km and the ICE T is a very good fit for it as you get PZB, LZB and GNT/GST for tilting on this route.
Also Frankfurt was requested for quite a long time.
Its that simple

 

Maybe there will be valid complaints coming but I can't see any valid complaints passing at the moment. I think DTG have done enough. Everybody wins (except those with a dial up modem)

 

Well I can probably raise one for our American friends - they really are getting the short end of the stick with this one. Releases for them since TSW4 have been almost non-existent, and while the UK and DE get brand new, previously unannounced routes, the US gets a bunch of reskins/re-releases (as much as the MP36 might be a bit different, it IS a loco we had already) on a route that was a backup plan in case the LIRR license fails. Couple that with the fact that Deluxe AGAIN only has extra UK/DE trains, and you can see the discrepancy. TSW5 Deluxe should've definitely gone with something US in it, perhaps finally some diesel Amtrak (although that one is not exactly suitable for the route included, but would be great for many other routes).

 

My understanding is that there is an absence of collaboration from the US rail companies. It may be worth applying some pressure there, although the difficulty is often finding the appropriate pressure point upon which to press..

 

I can only response from my personal take on this: Our American friends are being spoiled as hell. >insert some sad background piano< What about our Belgian friends? They have to look in tears on how their already ever so proud neighbours in the Netherlands get a route before them. It's not fair. I would say "Enough is enough"

 

I doubt there would be much uproar against some US routes set in older eras, where much of the rolling stock you can visit and walk through in museums with very friendly staff, some can even be fired up. And when you're not running around functional Class I traffic, I doubt they'd block you from using locos on historic trains.

Recently, I sat in the cab of DDA40X and saw all the details, including the engine room and nose entrance. That is a loco that should definitely make it into the game. And it is not hard to get to. If current references are hard to get, let's go historic a bit. Clinchfield was a great route, albeit a bit slow for most players, but busy routes existed for a long time.

 

Fair... even us Czech folks actually have a freight car in the game Justice4Belgium

 

At some point DTG need to let the "lack of services" part of LD Amtrak trains go and get a P42 or ALC-42 in game. With the announcement of the MBTA route, that is another route that can support a LD Amtrak train with multiple stops, along with Cajon Pass and Horseshoe curve.

 

I am worried that they would still release it for one route and say "You can use Free Roam to put the P42/ALC-42 on CJP/HSC/SPG, etc."

 

It wouldn't be a problem if the routes were built with it in mind before hand, its how Boston Providence was able to slot the Acela in so neatly, and the Lakeshore Limited will be pre-slotted into the MBTA Worcester route, so adding it wont be as hard as the existing freight routes.

 

I've got some torches and forks here in the shed, if you need them.

 

I think having given the free core update DTG had to sell the 390 separately to recoup some money maybe?
At end of day to save money you can always get the free core upgrade and then be patient and buy the dlc later. At least you can choose now.

 

Yeah, they knew what they were doing making the Class 390 require Deluxe edition.

 

It's difficult for DTG to please all the people all the time. As has been referenced already there are many countries around the world, around Europe in fact, that have no or very little representation in this game. But with Netherlands and Japan coming it looks like this is changing. Perhaps DTG found the US difficult to deal with because of their own imposed restrictions? In which case that might bring more alternative countries into the game. The US needs more devs to do the challenging work over there and hopefully some will transfer over from TSC as one has already..

 

So, here it is, what we all expected...TSW 5...

I'm honestly neither really excited or disappointed. I'm looking forward to the new JT route and to FFM-Fulda with the 411 and 114 as well as the DB Vectron. I also like the Flixtrain 193 and especially the new coaches. Is this worth picking the deluxe for me? I don't think so. For the moment I believe I will pick up the german edition later on.

Best part of it? Fixed track shadows! I'm not over excited by the new features. A lot of stuff like route hopping was already possible with god-mode (yes PC only, sure! So welcome addition for console players). I'm not sure what to think about the new map, looks still a bit too "colorful" for me, but that's a matter of taste.

I hope we will finally get a fixed and improved Editor.

Btw. will there be finally a fix for the passenger system? I expect it will be really strange to play in conductor mode and the first thing that will happen is everyone is leaving the train at the start of the journey.

 

I play all the routes regardless of country, but do feel for our American friends who clearly get the short end of the stick when it comes to releases.

I really wish there was an American equivilant of Just Trains that could get on board and make some freight routes, either historic content or smaller lines which may allow better access to developers.

 

Imagine how much happier the US customer base would have been with something like FRCE?

 

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also play routes regardless of country .even though i m from US and prefer US freight and freight in general i do like passenger too but just seems that DTG Focus has a bias twd passenger trains EMU DMU s and sleek modern high speed stuff they ignore freight and older trains ..plus the player base dont like or want older trains ...they dont know what they missing.

 

it seems im the only one who is concerned about that TSW 5 or whatever didnt use modern scaling like DLSS / FSR ?

 

The one handled EMU is as exciting as modern trains get. Although that green vectron does look like a cabbage white caterpillar.

 

If HIS is onboard to do that Santa Fe pak I hope they planning to do some US freight routes we really need some and soon ,DTG let the cycle without US freight go on too long ..nothing freight route wise since TSW 3 Cajon pass and we going into TSW5 with only the santa fe pak on the lineup and 2 more Passenger US routes being shoved down our throats ..a not a peep hint or clue as to when or even If US freight will make a good comeback ..i dont even have faith at this point that the clinchfield remake matt claims he working on in spare time ( last report was he hasnt done anything in last 3 months on it ] thats not promising news i think DTG foucos too much on the UK EU stuff and not putting enough priority on US stuff esp freight .it s really getting fustrating overall the way US customers are being treated in TSW now ..i propose during the stream s today and tomorrow we US customers need to hold DTG s feet to white hot fire on this and no more sorry excuses from DTG will be accepted

 

I wouldn't bother with Train Life unless they are giving it away, it's ok for about an hour then gets dull quickly. It bears no resemblance to anything real.

 

Well, now that it's morning, and I have coffee and some time, I've looked at the FAQ page properly and it all makes sense.

Note: don't try watching a live stream when you're in the middle of unpicking a tangled accountancy mess at work, and don't glance at FAQ charts when you're trying to deal with dinner, a toddler, and the rest...

So, yes, this is a good thing altogether. I might just get the free update, and wait on inevitable route discounts in future, seeing as I already have plenty of legacy stuff to get on with. Thanks, DTG.

 

I think the solution to the US problem is easy - arrange a trip to the IRM, take the Little Joe for a spin, gather references and make the Milwaukee electric route while at it, gather references for as many locos as possible that can be used in future projects.

 

By the way for those who dont know FRCE stands for Feather River Canyon ENhanced it a recent US freight route for Train Simulator Classic done by High Iron Simulations HIS for short..they souppsedly are on board to do US content for TSW i hope they can step up and give TSW some good US freight content would be nice to see some other 3rd partys step up also

 

Come on guys. Stop saying it's free and there are no arguments to get upset about it. What if you are in the hospital or on vacation or just not at home during the free period to get the free version? After that you have to pay for the game as well. Why is the free version limited in time and not always free? After the 30 days it's exactly the same as TSW4. Everything is still hidden behind a paywall. Wake up for once.

Why is the Pendolino not included with the route but is only available separately for example? Why can't new features be integrated into the old version of the game? Why does everything have to be downloaded again? DTG has learned nothing at all and this free version is nothing more than a pitiful attempt to suppress the argument for a paywall.

 

I'd say : well done with presenting TSW5 (although there went 30mins missing of the Stream ? )

I like that this time the new features are reasonable in scale so that gives me the feel that other projects like Suspension can be workes on further with more resources. Although not as big, the new features are really welcomed ! Especially the new live map, and for personally: timetable layer control! I feel like theres a lot of feedback from the player base taking into account for this one. Given ALL TSW players the chance to come back together now is a great choice in pretty much all aspects. Good direction this is !

 

Yes, but its certainly an improvement and going in the right direction. They are a business at the end of the day. You cant expect everything to be cheap.

 

Does anyone want to mention the fact that Roblox gets steam engines for TSWR, before the actual TSW did, is just crazy...

So they'll invest in Steam for Roblox...but not for actual enthusiast?

 

That’s stretching the argument just to be negative. I shall be away at the launch, but I shall just get the free version on the mobile apps for the platforms I own.

I suspect the number of people who have zero internet access for the whole 30 days is really quite small.

 

No. You can't expect everything to be cheap. But you can't be expected to buy a new game every year, when theirs very little "new" about it.

 

Then order it via the app on your phone, or the multiple other ways to purchase the game. You do not have to download at the time of purchase. It's just a transaction.

Because businesses exist to make money, and despite modern opinion, not everything in life is or should be free.

See above

I agree, It's frustrating, but it avoids any issues for players that choose not to upgrade.

Thats your opinion.

 

It seems some people just cannot be happy at all

 

Hasn't this train got lovely rounded windows, much nicer than those orrible electric tin cans they had down south

 

But what type of game do you actually want? Everything free? I do understand that nothing is free in life and that Free starter pack is meant to make people buy routes and therefore spend money.

Free would mean volunteers keeping TSW alive.

 

You are wasting your time to be honest Some people just want to be negative.

A few will find flaws whatever DTG do.

 

Minor correction: FRCE stands for Feather River Canyon Extended

 

DTG have clearly learnt a lot

They have taken the paywall away as people on this thread wanted. So why bend over backwards to concoct a nonsensical argument to suggest that they haven't. And suggesting they are suppressing the argument for a paywall by doing what people wanted by offering a free upgrade is barmy.

 

This is absolutely bang on.

I was looking at it yesterday and you actually don't get anything with the free upgrade other than you would be able to purchase the new routes. It's a snide way of getting everyone on the same version. Look what comes with TSW5 starter and what happens when you upgrade for free:

Livery designer - already got it.
Training centre - same
Free roam - same
Formation designer - same
Scenario planner - same.

map 2.0 is the only benefit I see.

Even the benefits... Shadows - only on some routes, mostly will be on the new routes that are locked behind a paywall for full benefit, they haven't been applied across the game which is what they should have done. Again its benefit is locked behind upgrades. Conductor mode...again locked behind the new routes and only on the odd TSW3/4 route.

It's an utter sham. They are also pulling and retiring support for TSW4 so again, putting people on a forced path to upgrade. Not to mention a lot of the new lines that were promised for TSW4 have slipped into 5 like San Bernardino and the Japan one.

Ive said it before it's abhorrent and painted as doing the community a favour. It's just about cash grabs as much as possible. oh I forgot devs need to eat before anyone reminds me.

 

there’s no cash to grab here though, it’s free, it’s only the dlc thats being sold

 

Totally agree with the pushback against the criticism Im seeing so far. There comes a point at which a position further advocated just begins to lose credibility, and as one of the previously vocal trumpets around paywalls, I am genuinely very pleased with DTGs actions. I aim to support them as a result, and hope it leads to the strengthening of the brand as a whole.

Those who still find fault perhaps need to realise they'd better be laser focused on the issue they have, provide compelling reasons why its an issue, and provide alternative paths. Unless this is done, credibility becomes zero and the room has failed to be influenced to any degree.

 

It all depends from what version you are coming. If you come from TSW2 and bought some routes back then it unlocks a lot of free remasters

 

I could unpick each of the points you've raised here to demonstrate why it's a flawed position, but I'll only do that if I feel it may fall on Fertile ground where its not who is right, it's what is right.
I'm not convinced that is the case here.

 

You don't get anything with it and it's only available for 30 days anyway. All the features are locked behind new and future routes.

Is it outlandish to say they could have brought these updates to TSW4 and continued to invest in a better game?

They want the TSW5 release so they can lock people out with FOMO and sell bundled packs under the guise of a new game. I don't know why people can't see that.

 

Please pick away.