Enough Is Enough!!!

I'm not sure on that front, Poland still uses older Electric locos that resemble our 1st Gen AC electrics, in TSW DTG still haven't even produced a UK AC electric......

 

Yes on the "Railfan" or "Technical" side Poland is quite intersting but for mainstream or less advised people it's just an ordinary country. When people think about trains their first one in mind is not Poland. It's the Flying Scotman, the War Bonnet, the TGV or maybe the recent ones like the Class 700.

Edit: Grammar

 

Yeah I own Simrail, but I'm not playing it till it has a singleplayer timetable mode like TSW.

 

I tought that there was a timetable for Simrail... Well sorry but that isn't for me so at the moment. I like schedules

 

Exactly. SimRail is good but they have almost completely ignored the wishes of those who want a better single player game. There is no sign of that changing and means I will be thinking very carefully before investing any money in forthcoming paid content like the ET22 pack or the American route.

In fact after my disappointment with the JRE video clip sim I redirected some of the funds to acquire West Rhine for TSW and the rest has been ringfenced waiting to see what 2024 has in store for the game. The Class 104 DMU is a Day One must buy. The Goblin Line is probably a no on release, but like others I have a notion this is a filler route while the main team works on something big and iconic for the UK.

 

It would be their own fault then wouldn't it for releasing DLC with bugs and not fixing them.

 

I've still been waiting for a reason to get TSW4 on Xbox. I haven't upgraded but bought NTP finally in the sale and HFP prior and I'm enjoying the route immensely. I really love the look of Blackpool branches and its probably the best route imo but as much as I want to support JT I just don't feel like spending money on the core TSW4 routes is a big enough draw currently and the scotman is a shambles. The only other thing I'm desperately looking out for is the PFR pack. Nothing else is really catching my eye at all. The rivet UK route could be interesting but buying that is always gonna be a lucky dip of bug fixes a large percentage of which will probably not be fixed let alone issues with physics etc (looking at you class 150). Skyhooks new MML update looks good but I can get it on TSW3 as far as I'm aware.

So apart from BPO I just dont feel like theres a lot of promise in TSW4 right now. For me personally the teasers were a bit underwhelming apart from the 104 so will continue to sit waiting for a better starter pack offer (cough Blackpool please cough).

 

TSC is better, because I have hundreds of trains and nearly 100 routes on it. Many of these trains and routes might not be great in a vanilla state, but I have hundreds of mods, route updates, repaints, soundpacks and enhancement packs installed, to make them great. Also I´m buildung a route. I know how to work the editor and can release it to public at some point. Afterwards I can always go back and extend it or whatever and release another version to the public. In short: I have put thousands of Euros and hours of time in to this game.. I´m always open to new things and I own TSW along with lots of DLC. But I´m not in any hurry to throw away my TS collection and jump to the next shinny new thing. I don´t really care how amazing Simrail or TSW might become, it would take +10 years to got anywhere close to the choice of routes and trains I have in TSC. By the way: the community is seeing alot of new user at the moment and there is alot of stuff happening with freeware and third party. ATS just released two new things over christmas. Railsim had a new route and a new train today (both freeware). TSC is alive and strong...

 

TSW offers freedoms you could only dream of in TSC. That's what makes it better.

 

Oh, you mean like building my home route in the editor with loads of different assets and releasing it to the public...and afterwards updating and extending it? I must have missed the news... is that possible on TSW? I don´t think so.

 

Yes? That is possible in TSW since the editor came out.

 

Oh, so people saying on these forums that content can´t be cooked and released are spreading fake news? Where is a good freeware route on TSW, that I can download in Creators Club? Could you point me to it?

 

In TSW you can explore the route, TSC you can't.

 

Yes they are spreading "fake news". You can download a community mod that allows you to cook content in the editor. That's how we have some timetables made already, (including the one I made, so yes it works). You just can't do it without that for the time being. https://www.trainsim.cz/?mod=article&showid=2705

The editor hasn't been out all that long, so I don't think there are any released routes yet, but there are quite a few showing a lot of progress in the editor subforum: https://forums.dovetailgames.com/forums/pc-editor-discussion/

Currently you can download timetables and scenarios from: https://www.trainsimcommunity.com/mods/c3-train-sim-world/c110-pc-editor-creations

 

wow this thread has really gone downhill, 57 pages, wow I have 0 words to describe my suprise

 

Nothing you’ve written there makes TSC a better sim, which is what I said. I’m not denying TSC is good, nor that there’s a huge amount of content for it, but that’s not the point that was being made.

Fawx It’s not fake news as as it stands you can’t cook in the editor. That someone has managed to create a hack to work around that is immaterial really. Ultimately DTG have released an editor that doesn’t allow you to natively export content which in itself is ridiculous. There are many of us who are just not touching it until that is rectified.

Anyway, TSW has many issues but it ain’t half as bad as some are making out. From probably one of its harshest critics!

Merry Christmas all.

 

I mean they said is it fake that "that content can´t be cooked and released". Which is a false statement, you can, it just requires a workaround. Now of course, it shouldn't require a workaround, I have absolutely no idea why it is taking DTG so long to implement it when a modder got it working in like a day, but it is possible to cook and release content.

 

The TSW World Editor is just not that user friendly to work with. I’ve built routes in most of the big name sims (and a few pre MSTS ones which most probably haven’t even heard of) but I couldn’t get my head round it. Needs a better front end and DTG to unlock assets in their existing routes so these can be placed in addition to terrain textures which, when I set it aside, was a massive hurdle to cross.

The TSC Editor ain’t a picnic either but generally I can get a reasonable workflow going. And as regards TSC vs TSW, it’s a pointless urinating contest really. Both have merits and demerits when it comes to running trains and TSC has a plethora of routes and trains unlikely to ever see the light of day in TSW. Then you fire up a TSC route and find it has about six scenarios to play, nothing like the TSW all day timetable. I was eyeing the Chatham Main Line, £4.99 in the Steam sale. All the way from Victoria to the Kent Coast and various branches and loops, but not all of these appear to have a live service covering them.

 

Talking of sales, I’ve just picked up the;

- Acela
- New York - Trenton
- IOW Island Line 22
- The new BCC ‘expansion’
- The BR101
- Luzern -Sursee and
- Tharandter - Rampe

in the sale for ~£48. Some good deals to be had I’d say.

 

Well I grabbed West Rhine and actually quite enjoying it.
Contemplating maybe adding Edinburgh to Glasgow despite my dislike of the modern era and knowing it’s full of Rivetness. Got until early January to decide.
It would be nice to load in the editor and do an attempt at a diesel service with Class 40’s hauling everything, or I suppose you could top and tail 6 Mark Twos with a Class 20 and pretend it’s a 27 push pull!

 

As someone who bought Edinburgh to Glasgow I'd pass on buying it, I find it's quite boring and the Class 385 has very strange physics. Can't think of the last time I even played that route.

 

Thanks Josh. Maybe if it turns up for under a tenner at some point, then.

 

Thank god i have no intentions on buying it, Id say the same on bcc, It got way to boring, 1 of the main reasons is because its not very local to me at all, but the goblin line is very local to me so im definatly gettin it ,

 

This... that´s why i checked out and stopped responding. Merry Christmas to all though.

 

For some reason it appeared in my inbox that you quoted this from me. Weird as I never said that.

 

Yeah definitely wouldn't pick up Edinburgh to Glasgow currently.
It has hands down the worst train audio in the game, no other loco is as bad as the 385 audio wise.

 

If they put the route for a very very high discount, Say - no more than 4 pounds for at least 1 month and a half il consider gettin it

 

cant agree more

 

It's actually the opposite.

 

The truth is no one, except the management at DTG and/or Focus knows, but the reality is likely to be somewhere in the middle.

There’s too much conjecture being put forward as fact in the last couple of pages.

 

Its True

 

Well, we can simply tell whether or not that’s the case. Put forward your evidence, facts mind…not assumptions.

 

Merry Christmas all, and maybe can we at least attempt to keep this thread relevant or at least on topic as it's starting to smell more and more like a troll in here.
Take Care
Gary

 

Hm. What exactly is the topic? If there was one, it lost its memory way back in August or September..

 

The original topic was, what justification is there for releasing the core game a 3rd (4th?) time when TSW3 was still viable yet needed some fixes. Since then, many topics lol

 

To be fair, at least it keeps the forum tidy!

 

I think this thread has just become a sort of discussion thread.

 

Im even suprisd on how this thread has not been locked since then

 

About some flaws of tsw

 

Don't speak too soon.

 

I don't think I will be locked. It's become like the junk drawer in the kitchen. Everybody has one to put all the flotsam and jetsam that doesn't fit anyplace else.

I think the mods are quite happy to let it alone as long as it doesn't get mean spirited.

As JetWash said, it keeps the forum tidy.

 

Or they don't want to lock it because they might fear a bigger riot.

 

It's also a nice easy place to link to in other forums / areas for people to educate themselves on the mess that DTG has created rather than having a dozen links to various topics. It's proven handy and eye opening to potential customers that I've seen. Got a lot of laughs and "wow I'm glad I avoided that sinkhole" type conversations.

 

True

 

I purchased TSW4 in the sale and overall it's ok, with the usual sloppiness from DTG

 

Well I will worry when there is some clear evidence of the fact, unless you can show us what you know?

I have seen similar things said several times on forums in the past, since the days of Rail Simulator, yet here we on the verge of 2024 and still the armchair accountants and company directors still come up with the same half baked theories!

 

With that, we have reached the next-to-last level of Simulacra, where we are discussing what is being discussed on a discussion thread.

 

Was doing my best to assist fellow TSW players and one of them found another Red Light Bug so far I noticed it on one timetable scenario. While TSW4 is a fair bit better and even more so with DX12 and well-modified ini mod like the one Jetwash put together.
It still has a few shortcomings here and there.

 

Four months out from the fateful announcement of TSW4 and what do you see that has changed or not changed? There have been some fixes to initial problems; everybody at least can play the game on whatever platform (I think). One of the best Routes ever released (Blackpool) and also one of the worst (Maintalbahn). More involvement from 3rd-party creators is welcomed; but old problems such as stuttering, track-side or peripheral issues, steam physics, still exist. Another new variable is Mods, surprisingly supported by the developer but being broken by updates. Just wondering what the future holds, as we have now carried on this discussion for 4 months.

 

For the first time in what seems like forever, I have realised that TSW is just boring me now. What's the problem?

I'm thinking it has something to do with only around 2 or 3 routes (that I own) being the only ones with any variety in gameplay, and at least two of them have never to be fixed bugs.