Enough Is Enough!!!

Not unless they can figure out how to make DLSS a paid DLC.

 

I chuckled... but it also hurt...

 

Enough is enough… yet strangely most of us are still here!

Since this thread spawned, I’ve bought Railroader, Zusi 3, dabbled briefly back into Run 8, pushed a few missions in Snowrunner, done a bit with TSC… But still somehow end up back in TSW and, despite the odd wrinkle, very much enjoying Salzburg to Rosenheim.

 

OldVern Add to the list "Train planet"
They have a demo available on Steam. It is a new attempt to make this niche some justice, hopefully.

 

There's nothing strange about it at all, "enough is enough" has noting to do with TSW as a whole, it's about the decline of product that a lot of people used to enjoy. As a result of this quality downturn you may find that the overwhelming majority are still here because they they have an older version of TSW (my 'go to' version is TSW2) and are expressing their dispair because they've refused to keep throwing money into a product which is rapidly going down the quantity over quality plug hole.

Besides, you said it yourself. Since this thread launched you've played many games, yet up until more recently none of those listed items are TSW4 related. I know you're going to chirp in with Blackpool branches but (a) that's not Dovetail Games and (b) it's still only one route within a family of several (including the three core routes) that you could have enjoyed for a considerable time if they were worthy enough for that to happen.

 

Actually it was having another go on Clinchfield that was the catalyst... And AFAIK the new Salzburg route is an in house creation (possibly with some help from TSG) and apart from the usual suspects like lighting they've done a pretty good job.

However to keep driving down the middle of the road in this thread, we have Salzburg to Rosenheim with its 60 - 70km run, intricate layers etc. for £27 on the pre order. Next up for the UK is the Goblin Line (or whatever it's been renamed). 13 miles with one new train and the good old 66, for probably £25, or £22 if there's a preorder!

 

Germany gets a 60-70km route and England gets 13 miles. Lovely. Max id pay for goblin is £20. All im saying is the 710 better have amazing sounds.

 

I've checked the map of Rosenheim-Salzburg and I can't but see a huge missed opportunity. This route has a plethora of short little branches all over the place... why are none of them in the game, just the AI traffic from them? I wouldn't expect all seven, but some of them could make for insane service variety, not just running back and forth, the rolling stock is all in the game pretty much. Now THAT would be a banger DLC IMO. But A-B it is again...

 

DTG will never do branch lines they will always have routes A-B.

 

I noticed one of the stations even had an EMU sat in the branch platform, but quick reference to the 2D map shows it simply goes a short distance then finishes. Sadly we have had this since GWE, as nice as the new route is there are no long term plans to extend, add branches etc, give a real network feel.

 

Clinchfield would like a word.

 

As would East Coastway, BML.

 

As would Sand Patch.

 

As would Blackpool Branch Lines. (Don't gimme that JT authorship speech, DTG/Focus is the publisher)

 

And DRA.

 

RRO and HRR have split routes too. Two branches to choose from.

 

Point being, TSW routes aren't all A to B. I think that's been made clear enough.

Does SEHS count? That's technically 2 in 1.

 

And all of you left out LIRR... poor route the point stands, it's those small branches, Berchtesgaden even seeing IC trains back then, that would go a long way, but that's too much effort...

 

Can't always have everything when they have to meet deadlines and make money. Have to build the environment, track, setup signals and even the timetable. The mainline probably took a really long time to build which meant they couldn't really make more. If they went with the branchlines, we might have seen a shorter mainline

 

Fair point but it is a bit frustrating when they've gone so far as even placing a (static?) train on the branch platform!

 

Rather tired of reading the words " can't do " or " can't have " in relation to TSW.
I've always preferred a " can-do " attitude myself.

 

What deadlines are they meeting? Are you acting like things havent been pushed back in the past?
Specsavers are calling you for an appointment please go in..

 

Yes, I agree...
Never Give Up, Never Give In, Never Say Never. anything can done, when there is a will the way will find its way.
Heck, the Empire State Building was Built in 11 months, not to say it was completely ready for use. And that was back in the day when they worked for pennies almost.

Here we are in the modern age of Hightek and computer programs like a game can't be properly made. Good Golly Molly.

 

They can't work on a single project to eternity. They are a business and need to make money and this is how they make money.

Also, just so you know, things weren't pushed back to add new track. Building a highly detailed track and environment and a timetable with appropriate stock takes a ton of resources and development time. It doesn't take a single days or even a couple days like you suggest. Things were delayed to fix last minute bugs and mostly only for a couple days, so incorrect logic used there.

 

Remember the completely horrific update from just recently for TSC that basically wiped out the entire thing? You couldn’t even start it anymore. Somehow the update deleted core game files and many users reported custom files, as well as purchased DLC, gone too. Some stuff that wasn’t even available to get back anymore. I believe there are still TSC users who never gained back certain files they once had.

What’s more, DTG openly admitted they had no idea how it happened and that they didn’t even know an update went out until we, the community, told them about it and what happened. AND, they claim an update was never even scheduled to go out. So yeah, some odd, suspicious stuff happens sometimes and did we ever hear a follow up to the “we’re sorry this happened and we’re looking into it” post? Of course not.

 

And that is the Crux of the matter, as well as what hurts us all, from the funds Spent to the hard work people put in to make custom content/mods and they just poof away, all this is like, "Oh Well _____ To be ya, see ya don't wanna be ya". And then there is okay so what is next on the road map, when is the next live stream again, oh yeah let's make sure the webcam is working this time.

 

I got super lucky with this Alan Thomson uploaded a video saying do not update train sim classic, it popped up as I was logging into my computer. Youtube notification helped for once

 

only 87 pages?

anyway, my streams from YouTube including yesterday when I did two runs on Rosenheim - Salzburg, will do some more today, probably dont have headset yet, so as of yet not with commentary

 

Self-implied deadlines. Nobody forces them to release so early, and the amount of mundane DLC with rather many people skipping them definitely does imply that more effort could go a long way in getting more people on board, therefore earning money. As for signaling etc. we're talking about semi-isolated branches with not more than a handful of trains on them at a given moment, it's not hard to do signaling and timetable for it. Relatively low input for possibly a big gain.

But maybe it's deliberate. A-B wears out quickly, so you are more likely to get another DLC for new gameplay. On the other hand, a network with replayability has people stick to it and possibly not buy the next content right away.

 

Yeah luckily I had seen all of the issues before I even let it update. I have automatic updates turned off. What baffles me is how virtually nothing was done about this by DTG other than rolling back the update that had gone out completely unbeknownst to them.

 

happy LIRR, Dresden Riesa and SEHS noises

 

But wouldnt people hesitate more before purchasing an A-B route as they probably see themselves getting bored of it quick?

 

That would probably depend on what said A to B route offers.

If its something like SEHS, BML or DRA then it'd be more desirable than, say, ECML.

 

Ya took the words outa me mouth, now while I don't know the exact program(s) "other than hearing of Simugraph & what it is used for & how" using my imagination "and I have a good/vivid one " If it's anything like TrainZ where you take the already prebuilt assets ie; track, junctions, buildings, rolling stock, and Drag/drop and correct for elevation, make river/lake, add pre-made water asset, seems like it's pretty straight forward. The hardest part would be coding and getting the Ai working as best as they can, as well as the Ai signaler. I am just guessing a handful of devs in a month or two can pump out content and testing as they go along.?

Heck look at what Derail Valley did with 3 to start then 10 later on and now 12 people developing, granted it's taken 8+ years, well okay not the best example, but hope my drift is getting out there

 

That's the long term problem they've gotten themselves into and the one we've been mentioning for ages. It DOES get boring.

I am fairly certain that IS the case. The way some assets look (roads are the best example) makes me fairly sure the asset laying is not that different between TSW and other railsim games. So yeah, some stations (Berchtesgaden) might be unique, but some very local branches could be relatively easily created from existing assets.

 

An example of self-implied deadline (in game's name) which wasn't forced to be released on time might be for example "SimRail 2021", which didn't release in 2021 but in Early Access in 2023 and "2021" was dropped from the name. It's additionally still sitting in Early Access not being forced to be "released" early before it is feature complete. Their developers apparently don't need to eat, unlike DTG's (a funny argument some have while defending either high pricing or paid updates every year).

 

I have been eyeing this third-party loco it's for TSC. From what I read it is fictional, but with a little creative thought who knows, IMO, this would have made a nice addition to TSW, the only question is where could it have been used, and yes I know the TSW content is based on real-world Trains/Locos, even if it was in free roam or Formation designer/editor. But I honestly would not expect this to be added to TSW. That is why I didn't put it in any suggestions.
And as of now the only French content in TSW is the Train Sim World®: LGV Mediterranee: Marseille - Avignon Route Add-On.
https://devmares.com/fr/trains/9-cc40100.html

 

Nothing fictional about the SNCF CC 40100, where did you read that? A magnificently stylish electric beast, but probably too retro for DTG’s taste. It is indeed a great waste that none of the assets they made for LGV have been reused on a another French route, it’s not as if it is far from Chatham, or they have no community people living over there (cough, cough) to help with photo trips etc.

 

Classic French electrics and diesels on a pre LGV style SNCF route would be utterly fantastic. Fond memories of journeys to and through France in the 80’s, well apart from the language barrier when you realised deciding not to take French to O-Level or CSE wasn’t such a good idea, on various parts of the system.

 

I may have missed something in the translation, but they also have this on their site.

I like the look of this loco and the short video they have juts makes it even more desirable.
You are very much correct, it may be too much work for the devs to put this together, and yes I have said also, it's not like they can't get things taken care of, where there is a will, there is a way, it's the will to do so that is missing.

 

They could do a section of the classic route along the Riviera. That would sell like hot cakes (or croissants), blue skies, blue sea, palm trees waving in the wind, people sunning themselves on the beach. Perfect escape from a dull, cold late winter day in Britain.

 

How are the newer Routes? I haven't bought anything since Blackpool Branches.

 

That said, Simrail also aren't the best at keeping people informed on progress...

"Mythical" just means "legendary" here.

 

Oh, you bet ya bottom dollar that it would, but we can Dream and they do come true at times.
But now that I have come down from the clouds, DTG would find a way to Fubar the "people sunning themselves on the beach" and the Waves would either end up being too big or none at all. But hey who knows right

The new is not completely bad, interesting would be best, I mean there are Floating Trees and if you can get past that, there is the good handful of timetable scenarios that are like 4 & 6 minutes long with the Red version of the 628, oh there are 5 scenarios, a few training modules. Jetwash did or is still working on modified ini to help rid the tree city "Question are there bears and racoons living in it" https://store.steampowered.com/app/..._Bahnstrecke_Salzburg__Rosenheim_Route_AddOn/

Well there we go, I stand corrected and lost a bit in Translation, I'm only Hungarian who does not understand French without Google Translate.

 

Exactly how I felt when I cleverly decided to go and live there! Did eventually pick it up, though not without an initial period of frustration, which most who expatriate themselves inevitably go through!

Never mind French, your English my friend, is better than a fair number who grace us with their presence on these forums, yet are born on these isles! There’s also a general downtrend in the quality of the language in the media; even in BBC articles these days they sometimes forget how to spell or use “whom”, which is painful to read and unbecoming of that organisation.

 

oui oui Mon Chéri, My Drága édesanyám sent me to school in the USA when I was little to learn the English language, and with age now I need Grammarly, I tend to miss words even when I say them in me head Thank You, much appreciated.

 

Don't suggest cool interesting routes with cool interesting rolling stock, that is a no-go

 

Ah yes, got to think Goblins and trains with just one handle!

 

yeah it's something I really wanted to see. the 628's do drive as AI to there and if the routes were in there are some cool real life shunting trains going there. Salzburg Maxglan (stiegl) and the line extended from Salzburg liefering are actually in the map but just like Salzburg Itzling where the S1 and S11 stops. not even accessable with free roam.
The S3 for example continues from freilassing on to Bad Reichenhall passing Stahlwerk Annahutte and the IC Köningssee drives up to berchtesgaden as an RE too. would be cool to have a reskinned FLIRT driving as S4 there. something I'm looking into for the realistic timetable I'm making (forum post soon).
The Mühldorf branch is a bit far so probably won't be something to be realised.
But I saw most of the line from Traunstein to Waging am see (Hufschlag) has been put in. most likely was planned since that service is drivable. even though it's 4 minutes now it's some welcome service variation.
The lines to Ruhpolding and Traunreut/Garching would be cool too just like the Chiemgaubahn. I would honestly pay for a route extension like that or to München. but my real hope is that something like in TSC what RLSSO did to combine/connect the routes.
Nevertheless with the missing branches and the sad state of a quiet Freilassing yard. it's a great route to drive and from all the critics dovetail got over the last few years an actual step in the right direction in my opinion.