Hello Everyone! Me again. After playing a lot especially on WCML South with the 390 I been enjoying it a lot, not going to lie, Dovetail you have done a great job with the 390 I have to say. But this Iconic train really needs a route to give it a great run! JT showing that long routes are possible I understand with the 390 Old gen would need to be dropped. So many ideas that could be used and I understand it be hard to get a good route with understandable start and end points. Thinking London Euston to Crewe, according to RTT that is 158 Miles which is around 1hr 30ish minutes. Be such an amazing run, again I believe it is doable just got to Drop to Old gen. Or London Euston to Birmingham New Street which is 112 Miles which is much more doable. Again Drop old gen for it. Another suggestion I can think of is Glasgow Central to Carlisle which is 85 miles and gives you an 1hr 10 minute run and depending on which time departure is, it will stop at Motherwell, Lockerbie, or Non stop to Carlisle. Very interesting runs. Would love Glasgow Central to Carlisle. Would love to hear everyone else's opinions and also JD's Matt's anyone from the DTG team! I won't tag them out of respect but the reason I am writing this, is because for such a train that has been requested for a very long time and to only give it 30-40 minute run just not exciting enough, only at 125 for 20 minutes. Or extend the route To Rugby, Rugby would of been great and I don't think I would of been complaining which is 82 miles long, honestly 1hour run with the 390 I be satisfied with that. But please I would love to hear everyone else's ideas
I would like to see something like Rugby to Crewe to Liverpool or maybe Stafford to Preston with a branch to Liverpool or Manchester maybe. A route with a logical end point at one end at least. Carlisle to Glasgow would be a good one. If they could extend WCML south to Wolverhampton that would be great but I don't see that happening.
I feel an injustice was made by not extending WCML South to Rugby. However, it would be great for dovetail to make the Trent Valley from say Rugby to Crewe to then utilise the 390s tilt, plus making use of layers along the routes, such as wmr at Litchfield Trent Valley and Rugeley Trent Valley, EMT layers at Crewe, TFW ai at Crewe and even Northern at Crewe for services to Manchester Piccadilly.
Totally Agree mate. London Euston to Wolverhampton, that be some job but amazing I would love that! Hard to do tho but possible anything is possible! That would give so much variety but I can only imagine it would take up so much memory.. But I totally agree Need a logical end point. Really do like you're suggestions. Rugby to Manchester maybe? Which is 101 miles and journey time of 1hour and 15 to 20 minutes. That be very doable would love that.
Yes me too! Rugby to Crewe hmmm feel like that be too short again unless they extend it. Lichfield Trent Valley Fast Lines would be really good to have in the game. It is mostly countryside if I remember correctly as I have rode mostly on 390s on the line so I don't think it would eat too much memory again look at JT's route I don't have a single problem on PS5 not even one crash yet. It was a big injustice not making it to Rugby tho. Thank you for you're opinion
I agree, it would be better for them to extend. Plus when living on this route, it does make me feel that having a large section would benefit DTGs existing line up. The only thing is, considering how they are doing shorter routes now, I don't see it happening sadly, but one can hope
JT managed 85 miles, so Milton Keynes to New Street or Wolverhampton should be doable. Using route hopping (maybe), you could then drive from London to Wolverhampton more or less seamlessly. Of course, for realism, you would have to include the Northampton loop. So how about it JT? Just a reminder - TSC has the entire mainline route to Birmingham, if you include Alan Thompson's Northampton loop and also includes a class 221 Voyager. Sorry consolers!
A modern day Liverpool Lime Street to Crewe or Rugby would be ideal as that is a great stretch of a route that includes the 350, Pendolino, even more stock and it also calls at Runcorn
Love that idea! I keep forgetting about Liverpool Lime Street no idea why but again really good that is. To Rugby would be nice, feel like it just going to Crewe would be too short tbh as it is 35 miles where to Rugby it is 111 Miles.
Hello I think a good suggestion for this would be the Stourbridge branch line. Or if it too long to make maybe half of it. Also maybe include a reskin of a Class 66 to add along as a bundle.
The best bet would probably be Carlisle to Glasgow Central, as the scenery isn't to intensive a few miles out of Glasgow, and is mostly countryside... Would be nice to have WCMLS North set in the modern day. Saying that though, because WCML sections have been covered twice this year I don't know if DTG would make another section of it in the near future.
Was thinking this but we don’t know what JT’s plans are and it would be a bit incongruous to have Shap in the 80’s and Beattock in the 20’s. So the logical suggestions are, as previously mentioned, extending the current Euston to MKC to Birmingham via both Weedon and Northampton. Or something including the Trent Valley Rugby to Crewe. Problem with the latter is that relatively few services call at Rugby, certainly long distance stuff to the north. Outside possibility would be Crewe to Preston, but fairly insipid scenery wise. So all in all, it’s not an easy call given the sections that have already been made.
As a child I travelled a lot up and down the M74 on long road trips and the Glasgow-Carlisle section was my favourite part of the journey. I'd love to see it in TSW. There would be a lot of tilting action!
The WCMLS in TS is a great deal. It's annoying it doesn't come with the Northampton Loop, but it does come with pretty much every train you'd want to use on the WCML. The 390 and 221 are included as you said, but you also get the Class 377, three variants of the Class 350, the Class 378, and the Powerhaul Class 66 DLC which itself has scenarios for the GEML. It really puts the TSW version to shame.
Every game seems to want to rely on micro transactions these days... I think only the older routes seem to come with bundles that include a variety of rolling stock. SE High-speed updated was the last UK route to come with a variety of rolling stock in one transaction? (Minus the 700 of course)
The Class 465 was originally a separate DLC, so it only became a large bundle when they added the Class 66 and 465 to the base pack with TSW3.
Trent Valley would be good to see, as others have suggested. Rugby to Crewe, with both the 390 and 350 playable. I can’t imagine it would be made, or considered without a ‘new loco’ paired. Perhaps the Evero? Or the Super Voyagers, especially with the tilt mechanics too.
Not just the 390, but also Southeastern. The 465 is probably one of the most used loco’s in the game due to how popular SEHS is. That and the class 700 and 375 need another route to give it some life.
I agree about the 465 it definitely could do with it's own route. There was much moaning some time ago that there were too many south eastern area third rail routes. I think enough time has passed now.
The definitive Pendolino route is already in the game. Pity it's the wrong era... I seriously hope DTG or JT realise the easy opportunity they have to make a quick buck and make a modern version of Preston to Carlisle. I'd pay good money for it. I'm not terribly interested in anything south of Crewe. When I think of Pendolinos I think of them tilting round the switchback lines in Cumbria, not in the drab West Midlands countryside. Carlisle to Glasgow would be great, but a bit too long length wise, and it wouldn't be as easy as Preston Carlisle owing to the increased number of suburban stations around Glasgow.
London Charing Cross to Hastings would be a good route... It'd give both the 465 and 375 a route to truly stretch its legs, and also seems it would fit just about with the limitations of the present game. Me being an anorak though would like a 375/6 thrown in as the 375/9s have the worst interior of all the 375 sub classes...
It is a bit more complicated that that though. It would be a good route, but if the route was made without Ore, Cannon Street and Blackfriars there'd be a feeling that the route has important parts cut out. This would inevitably add to the already large amount of scenery work to do, and they'd need to model other 465s, or the 707s. There simply aren't enough 465/9s to cover all the services on that route, and they pulled the 'using numbers from other subclasses unrealistically to pad out the timetable' card already.
I'm all for a return to a Southeastern route - we're yet to see the 376 (which I would absolutely cough up for immediately), and with the 378 on the way with the Mildmay Line, most of the other stock in SE London is in place, even a possibility of seeing the City Beam units turn up eventually with the 700 already in the game. Also someone give this man a cookie - no such thing as too many subclasses!
I don't want to change the subject of the thread and go off the topic entirely, so I'll just say one last thing. Disagree there, Charing Cross is a logical terminus with plenty of services. Adding either Cannon Street or Blackfriars would be classed as a luxury, but not a necessity to include them. I could personally happily live without them. (I'm a South Londoner too... ) In terms of the Class 390 I think DTG will be stepping away from the WCML for the foreseeable future, so any new sections would most likely be in the hands of third party developers.
Yeah I think you most likely have to pick a stretch that includes at least one of the other major stations on the WCML so that there is at least a start and/or end point for a lot of services - Manchester, Liverpool, Birmingham, Crewe, Preston, Glasgow are all options. All have been modeled in the game in either the present day, 1980s, or 1950s.
