Train Sim World 3 Extend Existing Routes Instead Of New Ones

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  1. rsmokinjoe#6809

    rsmokinjoe#6809 New Member

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    I would really like DT to take a similar path of American Truck Sim and instead of adding completely new routes with DLC, extend or add to existing routes, make the maps larger with each DLC. Not only that, add new locos as well. Add passenger rail, Amtrak, to the freight routes where applicable. Cajon Pass could be extended so much in each direction and make it much more enjoyable. San Francicso to San Diego and all the branches and yards and stops would be incredible! Longer trips as well, 2, 3, 4 hour single runs would be incredible, or even longer! They could even take this concept and add it to past routes, Horseshoe Curve and Sandpatch Grade would be excellent candidates for map extensions, but Cajon Pass would make more sense considering it is the newest content. Mix in UP with BNSF where it counts. Come on guys, give us this!!! Map extensions would make the game relevant for so many years!

    As a side note, I like to see more "mixed" rail companies instead of every car having BNSF on it. (For TSW3)

    Another side note: Add the ability to use custom liveries on any route, rail journey, etc...
     
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  2. TSW Nathan

    TSW Nathan Well-Known Member

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    That would be great. And apply livery/liveries to all trains on route.
     
  3. lucasfor49

    lucasfor49 Active Member

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    One issue - extentions don't exist - sehs wasn't an extension - it was a rebuild from the ground up. The livery idea though is an amazing idea.
     
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  4. jack travers

    jack travers Well-Known Member

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    No
     
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  5. TSW Nathan

    TSW Nathan Well-Known Member

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    Thank you very much for that very long and interesting reply. Anything else you'd like to add?
    XD
     
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  6. stujoy

    stujoy Well-Known Member

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    Most players only play for short periods of time in one go. Single trips lasting several hours would be a hinderance to gameplay rather than enhancing it. Extending any of the US freight routes, the examples used in the main post here, would add less variety to TSW than new routes for the vast majority of players. Only extending current routes and not making new ones, as the title and post suggests, would be the death of TSW. Imagine not having the slightest chance that your favourite route would ever be made because it doesn’t join up with any of the current routes. Imagine the prospect of nothing completely new ever coming to TSW. Players would be leaving in droves. The game would be irrelevant within a couple of years.
     
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  7. rsmokinjoe#6809

    rsmokinjoe#6809 New Member

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    It has worked for ATS and ETS, map expansions with additional roads... Routes that take multiple hours to complete. Why wouldn't it work for TSW as well? The shorter routes would still be there for players with shorter attention spans. Give us some expanded routes that take longer for those of us who want a little more. DT is a large enough company, they can give everyone more options. I mean look, 10 year old DLC is still $35, they can develop both concepts.
     
  8. rennekton#1349

    rennekton#1349 Well-Known Member

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    When dtg only released dlc in the south of the uk (sehs, ecw, bml), many people complained of how it was only 1 region and only consisted of electrostars, etc. Remember there are other parts of the uk. There's the north, South and East that have to be explored. So only extending existing routes like your title said would just decrease variety cuz you wouldn't be able to create new routes in different regions. You would have to wait until the line gets long enough to each that destination which could be several hundred miles. I would like to see routes from different time periods. Like with the br blue routes, dcz, etc. If you extend current routes, you can only have the same time period as the route. So a modern route would need a modern day expansion. I don't want to see the same livery over and over again which could end up happening if you just extend the same route over and over. And you would less variety in trains cuz they might just reuse the same train over and over again.

    In terms of longer runs, until the save game is 100% functional, I don't want it happening. The save game still causes problems and dtg are still fixing it. Unless you're planning to do it in 1 sitting which everyone can't do.
     
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  9. lucasfor49

    lucasfor49 Active Member

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    Remember- trucks run on roads - trains run on track - there's more unexpectedness in trucking then driving a train.
     
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  10. jack travers

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    Yes
     
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  11. jack travers

    jack travers Well-Known Member

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    But ATS and ETS aren’t 1:1 scale like TSW is. You can go from Like Portugal to Russia in like less than two hours while on TSW it would take a few days wouldn’t it ?
     
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  12. Woroszyl The NS 2000

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    We. Need. THIS.
    (Obviously substituted from different routes like Cane Creek, Sand Patch Grade, Oakville sub and maybe even our own liveries!)
     
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  13. lucasfor49

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    Ehh.. Some ets2 mods make it a bit more realistic in scale but still yeah... amazing point
     
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  14. ARuscoe

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    The issue isn't the extension of the maps, it's how the timetables work for multiple linked DLC when people may have some or all of the DLC involved.
    Unless DTG can work out dynamic timetables which are generated as someone loads in you have to then think about how the system would need to be worked.

    Think about if you had the following
    1 - Kings Cross to Peterborough
    2 - Peterborough to York
    3 - York local network

    if someone only had DLC-1, no issue
    Add in someone else having DLC 2 as well then you'd need a new timetable to extend over both,as well as the original timetable, so you have 3 timetables.
    Add in the third DLC and you need SIX timetables to allow for people have any one base DLC, any two adjoining DLC or all three

    So it's not really a simple thing to do
     
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    drnicktgm#1259 Well-Known Member

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    True, extending the Rhein Ruhr area would be great (for me as a German player). But also connecting Providence with New York including Acela express is also a nice extension
     
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    In principle I would like to see it, but effectively would have to be an all new route with a fresh timetable, unlikely you could just bolt on a new bit and have it all work. For the UK alone there are several possibilities:-
    GWE - extend to Oxford and add Thames Valley branches.
    Bakerloo - extend to Euston/Watford and add in the DC lines, maybe even North London line too.
    NTP - extend to York and/or Liverpool.
    TVL - extend to Boulby and Bishop Auckland.
    Cathcart - Add more of the south Glasgow suburban network.
    BML - London Bridge, more of the south London branch lines, Oxted Lines.
    East Coastway - extend to Ore and maybe Ashford.
    SEHS - push on to Ramsgate/Margate and add the classic route into Charing Cross.
    WCL - add the Falmouth branch, main line to Par and drop in the Newquay branch. Ultimately main line to Plymouth and all the branches.
    IOW - add the steam railway.
    WSR - through to Taunton though not in regular use.
    SoS - add the lines to Chester from Crewe and Liverpool. Extend north from Weaver to Preston, south from Crewe to Stafford and Rugby.
     
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  17. TSW Nathan

    TSW Nathan Well-Known Member

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    Sounds like a great list of things for DTG/other Devs to do. Sadly I don't think we will see many of them
     
  18. Woroszyl The NS 2000

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    This is what i want too. However, extending it to Plymouth and adding all the mentioned branches is perfect imo.
     
  19. dangerousdave

    dangerousdave Well-Known Member

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    This is a great idea. To say it can't be done isn't true! Will dtg put in the work though? I doubt it. They said route merging couldn't be done on tsc but a wizard called Danny did it.
     
  20. rennekton#1349

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    Technical challenges. Would have to remake the timetable which takes months. If there were 2 routes, there would be 3 separate timetables dtg would have to make (1 for each route, 1 merged). And depends on which routes you own and the game would have to know whether you own 1 or both. 3 routes (1 for each route, merged timetable for route 1&2, merged timetable for 2&3, another merged timetable for 1&2&3). You need 6 separate timetables and the game has to know which dlc you own and give you the appropriate timetables. So as you merge more routes together, you need more timetables which could cause consequences if not done properly.

    Tsc doesn't have a timetable mode so less of a challenge compared to tsw. It is just scenarios for that part of the route. Obviously you can run from end to end for extensions/mergers. But you don't have to deal with multiple timetables.
     
  21. OldVern

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    I guess it depends on the route. Obviously something like West Cornwall would be much easier as for the most part you are extending the existing services and adding self contained (apart from odd through workings or ECS) branch lines. At the end of the day that's why DTG employ skilled people like Joe who can do complex timetables and probably fairly quickly, too.
     
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  22. dangerousdave

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    It can be done though is what I'm saying. And it can be done is what you are saying. So dtg make 3 separate routes with 3 separate time tables, sell the 3 separate routes as separate dlc, then they announce they can merge the 3 routes but at a cost of 29.99 because they have to create a new timetable for the merged routes and all the people that keep asking for route extensions or mergers are happy to pay the 29.99.
     
  23. andyscotland

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    It would be good if it could be made to work, for example, the gwr route mentions a route to Hereford in one of the timetables, so if you had that full route then a route between Hereford and BCC would be good and of course at the other end of the route you have London so they could all be joined together too.
     
  24. neilwatson2007

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    I'd like NTP to be extended to include Liverpool via Newton-le-Willows and to also go from Leeds to York allowing Liverpool to York trains mixed in with various local stopping and limited stops services plus any freight were appropriate
     
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    That would be fairly good dlc I reckon, IF it can be spliced onto the existing route.
     
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  26. TrainGeek08

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    I think an extension to York could work but Newton-le-Willows gets my vote because services can start in Manchester Victoria to head towards Newton-le-Willows and it's Chat Moss :love: It could add more services to the HFP too :)
     
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  27. TSW Nathan

    TSW Nathan Well-Known Member

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    It gets my vote as well but I'd prefer it modern with class 158's, Class 170's and Class 800 Azuma's
     
  28. TrainGeek08

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    Yep, me too ;)
     

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