I just thought I'd open a thread to lay out my personal hopes for the upcoming Fife Circle Line add on. As we know, we will be getting the Class 170 Turbostar with the Class 158 Express Sprinter to follow at a later date. I would imagine that we will see Class 385 AI at Edinburgh Waverley on Edn-Gla services amongst others. I do however hope that we'll see LNER Azuma AI at Edinburgh as well. Should this be the case, I hope that this will open the door for Azuma AI for Edn-Gla too as it is currently conspicuous in its absence. Overall, it would be nice to see DTG and 3rd party developers sharing types, where relevant, to fill AI traffic gaps and better occupy the larger stations and busier areas.
Just to point out you will not get the 158 as a free extra. The 158 will be an additional purchase piece of dlc. You will only see the 385 as additional AI IF rivet games add that as additional AI. For which I imagine you will be required to have the edin - glas route and they layer the 385 in. This has not been confirmed. Azuma AI for Edinburgh to Glasgow route in the Fife circle will be pointless. LNER currently have a live consultation on with the plan to remove the service IRL as it is not required due to frequency of other options available to connect the 2 cities. Also you would only see the AI as far as haymarket where the LNeR branches off towards carstairs
I am aware of the short distances of LNER services in the areas represented in game (both now and soon) but it would be nice to see a far busier Edinburgh Waverley station. I am also well aware that the Scotrail 158 will be a loco DLC as opposed to a free addition.
It wouldn’t be pointless at all, what kind of bizarre take is that? also Haymarket is a key area for SR’s diesel operations, ya know, considering that’s where their depot is. Also LNER won’t be able to pull the services for years to come yet, even if they do decide to go ahead with that. Any realistic timeframe that Fife Circle is developed in would include the LNER services.
Hardly pointless though, is it. It makes the route busier, and heck, I'd even settle for the 801 to cover the 800 as the Aberdeen/ Inverness via Edinburgh to KGX services.
How does it make it busier you woukd catch a brief glimpse of one of your lucky due to the frequency in the small open sections between the tunnels. You woukd see one of timetabled to at haymarket then it branches ti the left out of site towards carstairs. So layering to to Edinburgh ti Glasgow is pointless
They still sit at Waverly, make the run along past Murrayfield and the likes. A rare encounter with one is still better than a ghost town.
Can you please post a link or a screenshot of your source where this has been confirmed as actually happening or is it just a speculation please as many people have asked this in this very thread so you saying that I am sure like myself many others are curious so do you have a source for this please.
I should have said "would" It is extremely unlikely the 385 will be included with the Fife Circle add-on - was the point I was making.
Absolutely but the sim can only handle so much. Rush hour vibes plus the 800s as AI whilst woukd be great how do you expect them to spawn them in and out of the route. TSW is not click TSC where you can make trains disappear into a portal
You can’t as there is no portal. Source for this claim please. Is it under the same source if your comment above where you said the 385 was layered with fife circle. [EDIT - Jan - Quarrelsome]
How are you saying there are no portals in TSW? How do you think literally all services work that go off the map work in the game? The ‘source’ you’re looking for is nearly every TSW route in the game. 800s at Edinburgh Waverley would add a lot to the route, as you would often just see them sitting at the station before departing to Haymarket. One final thing, how are you gonna report someone for ‘spreading misinformation’ but then you’re going ahead and saying that TSW doesn’t have portals so it’s impossible for 800s to layer as AI in Fife Circle?
Have a look at what portals are on TSC and then you will see that difference. You have portals at random intervals in the track these can be at ends of track sections or partly along a route TSW does not have the same function. Making scenarios on TSC is totally different to that on the editor for TSW. And making it as a full day timetable is much harder. there is also a BIg difference in someone making a post claiming the 385 is layered to Fife circle. Something ALOT of people have asked which may read that assume it’s true when infact no such thing has been confirmed by DTG or rivet. Then when called out in such incorrect information claims “they meant to say it won’t” which infact is more false claims as the sentence they typed claiming it was wouldn’t work with the claim of “I meant it won’t”.
So, TSW does have portals. You are more than welcome to investigate this yourself, it won’t take you long to confirm. I’ll give you a quick way to do so though - launch scenario planner. Almost every route in TSW makes use of AI coming in & out of portals, more than a few have AI that only occupy a small area of the route. As for the 385 layer, it’s incredibly likely to be a layer as Rivet & Matt have already alluded to this in other threads, & you can quite literally see the 385 in the teaser image posted on the roadmap thread. Now if you’d like to provide your sources for none of the above being true, that would be great.
The Edinburgh to Glasgow route doesn't have the 801 as AI, but that's understandable, as Azuma was a TSW4 release, Edinburgh to Glasgow was TSW3. If I recall right, it's harder to backport new content to older content. Granted it is a very poor excuse, but the reason is there. Given that Fife Circle will be a TSW4 release, and shares an endpoint with Edinburgh to Glasgow, it makes no sense for the 385 to not layer as AI; it would probably encourage more to buy the older route.
The 385 features in this screenshot and it shouldn't be any difficulty layering it into the route as it's Rivet stock
Are you a dev to say it will not ?? No. Is trainsimplayer a dev to say that ?? No but he can hope that it will like the 801 layer. [EDIT - Jan - Quarrelsome]
Not really as that could just be an image rather than a working departure board that we see on platforms.
Great. Another fife circle thread descended into arguments and negatives because of 390001 . Mate, if you disagree with someone, you don't need to point it out everytime. And there is no need to ask for proof for every speculation/statement that is made regarding a not yet released route. Just like chill out a bit and try not to be so negative. In this case trainsimplayer is right and you could do with getting of his case. Now can we please stay on topic??? I hope the fire circle with have azuma layers. It is basically confirmed that it'll have class 385 layers which is good. I hope an Inter7city Hst gets made for it because there have been slight hints from Matt saying "You'll have access to the full fire circle fleet" and rivet posting saying: "Did you pay attention to all the trains we're including??" But yea. I hope the sounds and scenery is good and I just hope this is actually a dtg level route that rivet are producing and not their usual buggy mess.
if someone says something that has not been confirmed then it is perfectly valid to ask for proof as otherwise people will pick up on something take it as being truth and then expect that in release. Until we are told officially the 385 is a layer then at this moment in time it is not happening. This is how problems occur when the community start taking things out on developers when they as most old something is expected when it actually is not.
There are ways to articulate yourself that don't involve hounding me (or anyone in other threads) or lodging false reports.
I mean they’re brave for raising attention to themselves to a mod, considering their behaviour on the forum.
Turbostar hype! Hopefully if you own MML the 158 addon can be discounted. I can't remember which route this currently applies to if it does. I may be wrong. Also the 68 as a future addon would be nice. Would love to see 801 AI traffic although if it's easy to do I hope there is a less memory intensive version like on SEHS and others. Flying Scotsman layering on should be an obvious choice as well. Along with working guard panels as that seems to be almost standard practice now.
Aren’t they just now may I put a request to your good self whom I have no issues with whatsoever on here and find you to be one of the valuable members on here to stop trying to flame war and move on please. You’re doing exactly what he wants and that is keeping something going on whilst he sits back and watches. This is what he does as others have noticed in previous threads with this member.
ANYWAY I do hope the 801 and 385 are layrd onto Fife Circle simply for AI purposes around Edinburgh. I also do hope we do see an I7C HST at some point in the future. Fife Circle has alot of potential stock wise so i hope DTG and other third parties take advantage of it provide us with more stock eventually
It certainly does have lots of stock potential. Going back a few years further you also had 150s running around again another unit that can be useful in other routes.
It could be. It could also not be. But the fact it is there makes it likely, whether you think so or not.
Anyway he is on ignore now as recommended by others who have done the same to him. I do hope the 170 can be layered into the MML route or we even get the chance to purchase it for a small price like the 323 Centro livery to add into other routes with a timetable. I also wonder if rivet will take the 150 they have and add that into Fife circle at a later date back when they ran out of Edinburgh
