Upcoming Release Frankfurt S-bahn: Coming Soon!

I'm hyped for this one!

 

The PC exclusive layers reminds me at the arrival of Hauptstrecke München Augsburg almost 5 years ago. And for those that bought a PS5 Pro, they will have the same reduced timetable, because it is about CPU and not GPU.

 

Very nice to see that it's the standard price. If the performance is not a slideshow like Frankfurt-Fulda, this will be a day one for me.

 

Has the Frankfurt-Fulda route problem that exists in the Frankfurt region (low FPS and crashes) been fixed or alleviated in this new route?

 

Reduced timetable only for PS5? Really disappointing. I guess this will be the case with TSW6 as well. I bought a PS5 to be able to play this game with a proper timetable.

 

Really very angry about this. I would encourage all console players to not buy this and any other similarly-released addons until we get the full experience. If they can't get it to run on consoles that play some of the most sophisticated games ever seen, then they need to fix that before they make any new content.

 

How about optimising the game on console before releasing new content, instead of giving us a reduced timetable?

What this basically says is "Look at the new pretty route and all the layers, oh wait, if you're on console then sorry but... the core's stuffed and we won't help you."

 

Why bother optimising when you can just reduce the timetable.

History is just repeating itself here & it’ll do it again when the next gen comes around.

I wish DTG well with simultaneously dropping 8th gen & restricting 9th. Wonder how long the reduction in income will take to force them to pull their fingers out.

 

The timetable is the point, particularly in an area like this. The game will be no fun at all, knowing I have ICE1s, ICE3s, etc etc, and they're not there.

 

As others have said, we can disable layers ourselves! Let us choose! I don't like the bad performance, and want it to be fixed, but can take it more than I can a reduced timetable. It's not like it's a slideshow on PS5. Others that value performance more can run the reduced timetable or adjust it themselves.

And work on optimisation!

 

And if you are gonna give up on consoles, at least give us cross-platform licences so that if we can get a supercomputer to play the game, we don't need to buy everything again.

Maybe releasing 17 addons in March wasn't a great idea? Don't paint the front door if the lock is broken.

 

No purchase from me until they put the full timetable on console. It's ridiculous. What is the point of the layer selector DTG if you won't let us use it?

 

A reduced timetable is better than nothing surely?
If it isn't there are plenty of online resellers of PC’s……

 

Funny how this didn't get mentioned in the roadmap - wouldn't want to have to face up to this.

 

It absolutely isn't better than nothing! It's worse

a) it shows them it's OK - not buying it will force them to do something about it.
b) it's less immersive to have big stations empty, to have thin AI traffic.

And are there resellers of £1000 worth of TSW addons? I don't really have space for a desktop PC anyway.

 

Yes, there are plenty of PC's out there to buy, but how would you feel if you'd invested money into a game that can now barely run and to swap to PC you'd have to repurchase the game and the DLC?

 

For Mildmay Line the route is plagued by blurry textures (which they still haven't fixed 8 months later, maybe TSW 6 it will be fixed) but it's fine because I can choose to disable some non-important layers to make it work. But DTG don't trust their audience and won't even give you that option this time around.

 

Fair play to you, you've woken me up today!

 

Yeah I wish Mildmay line performed better, and hope it will, but prefer it as is - with just the playable services I wouldn't be interested, and it's my local route. And as you say, if it was a concern, I could just adjust the layers.

 

Looks like the Aachen timetable was a portent of things to come. I wonder if we'll ever see it. Probably not the GWE remaster either, and TSW6 will be one-train routes for console players.

 

Yeah, clearly DTGs solution to avoiding another blurry mess like Mildmay is to just delete half the trains, which I guess is much easier than just coding the game properly.

 

Wow this is just brutal- and waiting until after the roadmap stream so they don't have to answer questions about it is pretty cowardly.

Poor show DTG

Edit: if DTG are ditching consoles totally for TSW6 they should have the decency to just say so- right now it seems like they're just trying to milk every last penny from console players while keeping just the faintest hope alive that maybe someday they'll figure it out, when they have no intention of really doing so.

 

Cutting the Content but keeping the Price the same. Where I come from, that's called unfair. We don't even have the option to upgrade to a better console without buying the entire game again. Optimize your game, damn it.

 

The TSW 5 Microsoft PC will be reduced ?

 

It's also funny to do this in the week that that GTA VI trailer comes out, made on PS5. I know that Dovetail are a lot smaller than Rockstar, but they could at least try. Or do what they did, and wait.

 

I've asked this 25 times and not once has DTG answered?

Literally what is the point of it?

 

even though I'm from PC (steam) I think it's absurd to cap content on 9th gen consoles (that's right, 9th gen, even for those who invested in a PS5 pro) it's too pathetic, the clearly path I see is TSW slowly becoming a TSC (in the way the base game is offered for very cheap price or free and then you have the option to buy the DLCs you want and now it seems like it's becoming more and more exclusive to PC)

edit: I wouldn't have known about tsw if it weren't for the consoles because when I met it I was playing tsw2020 on a ps4

 

I did but went out and bought a PC to play TSW MSFS etc….certainly didnt come on here and throw my toys out of the pram!
Get a grip guys…its a game not a life and death matter!

 

It's not throwing our toys out of the pram, it's consumers being let down. We're suggesting solutions, offering constructive criticism. And responding how you should - voting with your wallet.

 

So when the PS5/ Xbox X keep falling over because they cant cope with a full timetable the very same suspects will be on here criticising DTG.
I have little sympathy for DTG and often have a go at them but they are damned if they do or dont!

 

It's not a death matter but it costs money (put yourself in the shoes of someone who invested in a PS5/PS5 Pro)

 

Im on PC so I wont be voting with my wallet in this instance. There are plenty of recently released dlc’s that I havent bought because imo they arent worth the asking price.
Whilst you guys cut your nose off to soute your face I’ll be enjoying the timetable.

 

I have both the PS5 and Xbox X thanks

 

But this isn't their only option. Everyone's been saying for ages now that they need to work on performance. And if if we couldn't stand the performance on the full timetable, let us choose - either between the two or by adjusting layers. It's simple.

I was looking forward to this route in large part because it's busy and varied. Knowing that it's not, when it could be, will make it less enjoyable and not worth playing. So why would I buy it until it is?

 

You know DTG’s form…

 

Exactly. And I've made that mistake before, buying routes like Cross City thinking that one day they'll fill up Birmingham New Street. I'm not going yo buy something that's not good enough in the hope that it gets better - I'll wait until it does, and enough people do the same, it might change things, it might not. But that's all we can do.

 

Because as I say, it won't end here - unless DTG see that this is a bad move, TSW6 will be like this, and we'll effectively be left behind. I don't enjoy routes with limited and repetitive timetables.

 

I would hoped to get both options on PS5 and XBox, to choose for ether more performance or more services

 

To me it's very simple gives us full timetable and reduced like their have done before make it very clear that you need to for better FPS or for blur you will need to manage the layers and that's it and if It can't be done at launch at least say why I'm guessing Frankfurt area I moved to 9th gen a long time ago because I knew one day 8th gen was going to be done with tsw if it stays like this we never get full timetable I'll just get it on sale it's a dtg route it will come up on sale at some point for reduced timetable ain't worth 30pound at launch

 

Maybe a limited timetable should also mean it has a limited price.

 

In the end, the average won't drive all 600 or even 1000 services; of course, it's a nice-to-have aspect. The only question is, if we have a filter option, why can't we get the full timetable to filter services? This would optimize our performance and allow us to see what we want. And you could also provide a reduced timetable option for those who want to quick drive.
I really appreciate your work DTG and I understand, that performance is a hard challenge but I don't see the reason why this idea shouldn't work.

 

Something that has been worrying me lately, and I'm a PC player, is the lack of transparency from DTG in not telling us the real reason for the reduction in schedules on the latest generation platforms.

DTG, why aren't you being honest with your community? There was a huge hype around this route, and then two weeks before launch you simply say that services will be cut on the PS5 and XBOX platforms. What is the real reason behind this? A lack of staff to test the schedule? A lack of capacity on the consoles to execute the schedule?

Why are you pushing things like this to the community without taking the time to explain the real situation of the simulator? TSW 5 has been released for a long time and we still have the same problems on the main routes that have been released, with several patches that most of the time don't fix the problems.

Is it hard to be fair to your loyal players and transparent about what's been happening with this simulator? Because as much as I like it for the variety of routes, it is lacking in transparency in its DLC releases.

 

Pre TSW5, the only concerns I had on console re optimisation was that London Victoria on BML would get a little bit choppy. Now we have issues such as blurry textures, and a reduced timetable on the latest generation on console, and the game seemingly refusing to handle any route that's even remotely busy. Something has gone seriously wrong, and the utmost priority should be rectifying that. I get that solving performance issues may be quite difficult, but judging from roadmaps etc, it doesn't seem like that is the priority at DTG.

 

Agreed.

If the choice is between a reduced timetable or slideshow graphics and blurred textures, I’d go reduced timetable.

But really they should have an option 3: actually optimize their damn game for console. Instead of marketing hype and all the brouhaha that goes into annually re-releasing the same game with a new gimmick added just fix the stuff that matters.

And somehow I have a feeling that even with the reduced timetable the console version will probably STILL have performance issues.

 

REDUCED TIMETABLE should equal REDUCED PRICE!!! Don't get me wrong. I understand consoles can't handle as much as PCs usually. But at least give us the option to either have Full Timetable + Poor FPS or Reduced Timetable + Good FPS. If not, put it at a reduced price. Don't advertise a PACKED route and then say. Oh wait not for Consoles. I don't like criticising DTG often but this is a bad move. I was so excited for this route. Now? Not so much.

 

The problem is, that DTG's development doesn't recognizing the technical limitation of consoles enough. So they're development for comparable routes needs more and more datas. Yes it looks nice to have improved graphics and weather and live, but that causes much more datas than before.

That's why I think DTG should concentrate more on the key thing of this game, the train simulation. Then they will not have the problem of reduced timetables. All the other graphic things they could add as graphic addons for those who want it.

 

I think the problem is that the variety is missing in the scenery. The lack of AI trains really takes away from the big advertising point: Busy traffic. I live in Mainz so I‘m really invested in this route but neutrally I‘ve got to say: It‘s not a hugely scenic route (apart from a few sections). It really sells itself for having hugely variable and dense traffic and if you reduce both density and variety you will massively take away from the offer… luckily I‘m a PC player and am mainly limited by VRAM not RAM and CPU so I‘m confident that the route will work well enough for my standards but putting myself in the position of a console player it‘s just not worth it if you don‘t draw a lot of value from the scenery.

 

So why not give the Gen 9 console owners the option to run the full timetable at our own risk. But have the reduced timetable as well. I really dont see a problem with that.

We do have the option to turn certain layers on and off , so why cant we do that?


Hentis